DEBATE: Why Do Gen Z Women Hate Men So Much? - #1094
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Why do Gen Z women feel negatively towards men?
Did you read this new Statesman article?
I did.
Okay, what did you think of that?
I thought it was fascinating. I thought it was concerning, but also a little bit predictable that women are, well, there was a lot in there. There was, you know, women are, have a bleak outlook on life and that they are also spending a lot of time online, which is making everything worse and that they dislike men, um, so strongly more than men dislike women. Um, I think that this is to be predicted by an evolutionary framework. Throughout human history, women were very vulnerable because they are targets of sexual abuse. Because they're reproductively valuable, they're smaller on average. And they needed assistance getting the calories for themselves and for their children. And the data suggests women's foraging isn't enough to sustain even themselves.
So women who signaled their vulnerability through looking kind of pitiable would have been favored. But also... Any display beyond that.
What role does evolutionary psychology play in women's perceptions of men?
So communicating sadness, communicating need would have been favored. So I think this kind of tendency towards a bleak outlook on life. make sense. And in fact, women perceive themselves around the globe to be less happy, less healthy than men, both mentally and physically. And so this is a common pattern. And there also seems to be like a social contagion effect to it. So if you look at women's interactions in And when they are sad, their partners, whoever they're interacting with becomes more sad. Their depression spreads through networks in a way that men's doesn't. So there's also like a social contagion effect. So I think a lot of this makes sense. And then if you look at like the men hating. It also makes sense that if women needed to signal their loyalty to one another, so if they were often in these patrilocal environments where they weren't around their family or kin, then one way to communicate to other women, you can trust me, is by being loyal, a really good friend, but also probably being a girl's girl.
And one way to signal you're a girl's girl is by hating men. Hannah Bradshaw has some cool research showing that women who...
How do differing political views affect relationships among young people?
are guys' girls tend to be not trusted by other women. So if you have more guy friends, they don't trust you. They think you're more provocative. And so I think some of this is also related to that. I think there's a lot going on.
Is that in-group loyalty thing around the guys' girl stuff?
I think so. So she didn't test it in that framework. She tested it as like just what do you think of a girl who only has guy friends or a girl who has girls friends? And women like the girl with girlfriends more and trust her more. But in some of our data where we looked at kind of this asymmetry and concern for men versus women,
women showed the bias to a stronger degree than men did so i think if you put those two together i think women might be like advocating for women to signal to one another i'm on your team yeah yeah i think that's exactly right tanya and to add a few more evolutionary perspectives to that i was listening to the podcast from the journalists who did the research and i was just banging my head against the wall thinking there's so much evolutionary psychology at play here you can't see it and there's also an error management perspective so everything in evolution is a trade-off and between costs and benefits and for most of our evolutionary history women were making the trade-off that they were benefiting by selecting men who would be able to provision them with resources and be able to protect them now those are no longer as salient as benefits to modern women who are
earning their own money, achieving their own status, and living in a pretty safe world, even if they don't always feel it's all that safe. So those are no longer really key benefits that men can provide.
What are the implications of social media on women's dating preferences?
So they're looking for men to provide other benefits that they're just not stepping up to the plate to do. So if you think about it from an error management perspective, the costs of selecting a bad mate still are exactly the same as they were throughout ancestral history for women,
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Chapters
8 chapters
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Why do Gen Z women feel negatively towards men?
0:00–1:10
2
What role does evolutionary psychology play in women's perceptions of men?
1:10–2:27
3
How do differing political views affect relationships among young people?
2:27–4:09
4
What are the implications of social media on women's dating preferences?
4:09–6:19
5
How does the concept of 'looks maxing' influence modern dating?
6:19–8:10
6
What is the significance of emotional expression in male friendships?
8:10–9:20
7
How do societal expectations shape women's choices in relationships?
9:20–10:30
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What are the challenges faced by young women in today's dating market?
10:30–1:45:52
Speakers
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