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Mooney Goes Wild

Remarkable Reefs

04 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What makes coral reefs comparable to rainforests?

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Did you know that coral reefs are often described as the rainforests of the sea? They support around a third of all marine life visible to the naked eye, from jellyfish and fish to crabs, marine mammals and seaweeds. But reefs are also extraordinarily rich in life that we can't see. A new study recently published in the journal Nature shows that living reefs...

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host previously unknown biomolecules with real potential for future medicine and biotechnology. The research involved scientists at the University of Galway, including Professor Olivier Thomas. We spoke with Olivier and we asked him why these reef communities are so important.

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You have been doing work on coral reefs and they in fact have often been called the rainforests of the sea. Now, mind you, I would have thought great bodies of kelp would look more like a rainforest, but they're called the rainforest because they support such a huge amount of marine life. Now, are these warm coral reefs you've been working on in Galway or are cold coral reefs?

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Or can you tell me what sort of coral reefs have you been working on in the first place?

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70.079 - 90.82 Professor Olivier Thomas

Yeah, so that's interesting. Mainly we're working on warm coral reefs in the Pacific Ocean, but also the Caribbean. But it's true that there's also cold coral reefs actually in the territory of Ireland, in the deep ocean. So we worked also on that, but mainly the activities on the warm coral reefs indeed, in the Pacific especially.

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So what you've been looking at are these reefs that are biodiversity hotspots. So what do you actually do? I mean, do you go there and take samples or tell us how you have discovered their hotspots? And are they hotspots for genetic or are they hotspots for species or are they hotspots for communities?

Chapter 2: What are the recent discoveries about coral reef biodiversity?

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Can you tell us more about the biological hotspots that these warm coral reefs are?

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118.679 - 144.093 Professor Olivier Thomas

Yeah, so indeed there are hotspots of diversity, these warm coral reefs. So that's now 10 years we've built a big consortium with people in France, with the Tara people in France, but not only, Switzerland, Germany, America and Australia, where we really use expedition, develop expeditions in the Pacific to really study the diversity actually present in the coral reefs in the Pacific.

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144.614 - 166.725 Professor Olivier Thomas

So you are right to mention these different types of diversity. So we mean genetic diversity indeed. That's what we studied in this particular article, but also biodiversity in terms of species, which is certainly very, very important. As you said, these coral reefs, they host a lot of marine life, all types of marine life coming from the fishes, of course, but not only.

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167.077 - 176.751 Professor Olivier Thomas

So this is all types of diversity, I would say, but involving, of course, the communities as well, because they live from these coral reefs and all the resources they provide.

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Well, the coral reefs themselves, the actual coral structures are part of a living organism in the first place. And then the reefs then constructed by these living organisms are then habitat for all the different varieties of animals that you've been speaking of today. So can you tell us more about how the actual coral reefs themselves are formed in the first instance?

199.081 - 223.563 Professor Olivier Thomas

Yeah, so that's very important to make a difference between the coral reef and the coral species indeed, okay? So the animal coral is indeed an animal, right? So the reef is all the resources, the marine life that inhabits this reef, right? But they're building corals. So that means that they are building an entire ecosystem over kilometres of underwater life. life, I would say.

223.583 - 238.63 Professor Olivier Thomas

And then this is an animal living in close relationship with the zooxanthellae, so that's already a close association. And this allows actually other animals to live and thrive in this actually quite poor, in terms of nutrients, ocean.

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So these reefs then are in these warm oceans and they're being greatly impinged now by climate change, by the change in the pH in the oceans. And if the corals themselves cannot survive, if they become bleached and the animals die that make them, the whole ecosystems are in trouble as well.

259.079 - 279.86 Professor Olivier Thomas

Yeah, that's absolutely true. And that's certainly the main concern here. It's not only for the animal itself, the coral, but if the coral dies, so all the marine life associated with this coral and fishes and all the lobsters and etc. will indeed be totally affected and they won't be able to survive in this environment.

Chapter 3: What types of coral reefs are being studied and where?

380.048 - 399.947 Professor Olivier Thomas

And that's the concept that we are developing more and more. It's what we call the ocean health, right? So this is not only, again, what we see in front of our eyes that is clearly important. It's the same as a human being. If you want, you have a gut microbiome. And if this gut microbiome doesn't work, then you are sick, right? That's exactly the same principle.

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400.027 - 422.23 Professor Olivier Thomas

If the microbiome of the coral is not actually well maintained and in a good balance, then the coral won't survive in this environment. So this is absolutely essential. This is totally understudied. And what we revealed here is that 90% of this microbiome has been actually not described yet, has been not understood yet. So I think that's the main message, certainly, of this article indeed.

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Olivier, why should this rather arid environment, rather uniform environment, just change much? A little rise in temperature now and again, little changes in pH. Now, when one thinks of biodiversity, one thinks of the Amazon rainforests and places like that. But why should this rather arid environment have such extraordinary diversity?

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I believe there are 80 species of parrotfish alone in this environment. How could that come about? How can there be that many niches for things in this rather uniform, unchanging, what seems to me outside it, environment?

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465.832 - 490.135 Professor Olivier Thomas

That's a very good question. And this is actually a very beautiful aspect of nature in the ocean, is that in this extremely poor environment in terms of nutrients, you have these coral reefs that are actually able to host all this diversity of fishes. And this is actually incredible. And mainly it's related to the presence of this auxanthellae inside the coral, right?

490.115 - 510.368 Professor Olivier Thomas

Obviously, this auxanthellae will transform the light into nutrients that are absent in the water. That's what the coral needs to actually thrive. Once you have coral, you have a loop of nutrients and all these different types of chemicals that the other organisms need to actually thrive and develop themselves.

510.348 - 531.648 Professor Olivier Thomas

Indeed, this is happening mainly in the coral reefs, but we can't forget that this is also the case in the kelp forest that we have in front of our eyes here in Ireland. This allows all this diversity of species to thrive, the parrotfish, as you say, but all the type of fishes, and this is absolutely essential for the communities who live from these fishes, right?

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So if you remove the zooxanthellae, if you change the temperature and the pH, as you were mentioning, then these auxanthellae won't be able to survive in these difficult changes, and then the coral will be affected. And that's the effect that we call the bleaching, right?

548.131 - 560.272 Professor Olivier Thomas

And then if the coral can't work and provide actually the nutrients that are necessary for the other organisms to thrive, then of course you will see a disappearance of these fishes around the coral reefs.

Chapter 4: How are coral reefs identified as biodiversity hotspots?

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And this will affect actually all the population as well.

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But Olivier, this holobiont that you speak of on your coral reef ecosystem, does this not occur in every ecosystem? I mean, why is it just the coral reef that it has such importance? Presumably any other ecosystem will have a whole collection of bacteria and viruses and all of these things as part of its microbiome too, controlling soil, for example, on land or other areas like that.

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So, I mean, is the one in the coral reef ecosystem different, better, more important than the microbiome that you get in any other ecosystem.

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596.61 - 623.776 Professor Olivier Thomas

Absolutely not. No, no, no. It's exactly the same aspect. And you're totally right to mention that, that the holobion concept is present everywhere, right? We're making indeed a huge focus on the corals because obviously of the beauty of the coral reefs in the ocean and how they actually allow all these fishes to survive, etc. And this is underestimated and understudied.

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624.417 - 646.276 Professor Olivier Thomas

But the coral reefs are so important for all these little islands in the Pacific or in the warm regions of the Indian Ocean and others. But actually indeed we focus mainly on that today, but very soon we actually have programs already on kelps in Ireland where we are studying as well this close association between the host and the microbiome. And this is something ongoing.

646.356 - 663.005 Professor Olivier Thomas

This is just because we need to start somewhere. I would say that we start with the most emblematic coral reefs, which is certainly the most important because they're suffering. deeply from climate change, where the others certainly will come after. But this is just a question of time. But this is present everywhere, absolutely.

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Why is such an environment so fragile that slight changes in temperature are enough to threaten it? It seems a bit of a contradiction. All the greater reefs are in fairly warm water, except perhaps for the ones off-island, the cold corals. but a few degrees of temperature rise and the whole thing is in big trouble.

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Now, this is the very diverse environment which has all these strings to its bow, and yes, it is that fragile. Why is it like that?

697.075 - 725.22 Professor Olivier Thomas

Yeah, listen, that's millions of years of evolution where the host actually has developed a close association with these microbiota, including these auxanthellae, that actually transform the light into nutrients. After a million years of quite stable pH and temperature of the ocean, we are now observing some changes of pH and temperature, which is not huge, and you are right.

Chapter 5: How do coral reefs support diverse marine life?

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There's plenty of corals off the coast of Ireland and nice kelp beds in the cold Irish waters. Why wouldn't you be here? Anyway, don't blame me. Nice work if you can get it.

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1044.552 - 1055.734 Professor Olivier Thomas

That's just the start, actually. The idea is really to give some evidence, obviously, that there are some parts of the planet where there is more resilience in terms in front of climate change.

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1055.714 - 1074.209 Professor Olivier Thomas

We're facing already climate change in Ireland and we will exactly carry the same studies in Ireland and over the Northeastern Atlantic to identify actually those scalps or those environments that make them more resilient than others. But it's just a question of time. But that's exactly the same principle that we were going to apply here.

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Well, good trip and I hope you find out lots more interesting things. Good to talk to you. Thank you very much, Olivier Thomas.

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Thank you very much.

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