Martine Rothblatt: Growing Unlimited Organs, AI Consciousness, & Digital Personhood by 2030
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When might we achieve longevity escape velocity and how does the thymus factor in?
When do you think we might reach longevity escape philosophy? You know it's a it's a tough question. Uh you're currently focused on rejuvenating heart, liver, lung, kidney, you know, fundamental organs that we need. But when you said the thymus, celebration went off.
The thymus is uh highly correlated with every key marker of aging.
When do you imagine this will be something that you and I can receive?
Next decade.
Long before everybody was talking about this, you were out there writing about digital consciousness. Are we there yet for AI?
I believe we're there now and I believe the current models will take us there. The future is just so amazing that we are lucky enough to be born at this moment of time, right when everything is like bursting into a big bang of consciousness.
These are all epic journeys, they're all impossible till you make them possible. How do you decide you're gonna dive into one of these areas?
So is that a technology that can be scaled to billions of people? And if it can, then you're gonna change the world.
Now that's a moonshot, ladies and gentlemen. This episode is brought to you by the Abundance Summit and Link Ventures.
Martin, we've known each other now I think forty five years. Okay. Which is w which is pretty from the early eighties. The early eighties, we were together at Jerry O'Neill Space Studies Institute. Yes, we're just way, way before anybody was talking about mining the moon or mass drivers. Uh Jerry was. And we were there. And now it's mainstream. Now it's now it's happening real time. Um when Ray first reconnected us, because we were out of touch for a while, I remember you asked me one Who is the greatest entrepreneur alive today? And you probably said Elon Musk. I did. And you said yes, that's the right answer. Yes,
that is the right answer. Yeah. And it's still the right answer all these years later.
It it it is. Uh what he's done is extraordinary. And I honestly, for our viewers to understand, I don't know anybody else who comes close to rivaling the number of moonshots Elon's done other than yourself.
Well, I'm a distant second, but it's a it's a honor for you to say that, Peter. I really appreciate that with everybody you know.
Yeah.
So um it's it's an honor to be a distant second.
Yeah, well
Yeah. That's a distant second to like godness. So, you know, how can you complain about that?
Uh you know, we talk a lot about moonshots on this podcast. Um and I wanna take a second, y I've counted at least twelve that you've been on. There's probably more secretly that I don't know about. But let me take a second and just cover a couple of them and then we're gonna dive into them because I think it's important for folks to know the scope of not only your ambitions but your accomplishments. So early on, uh helping build or found a number of successful satellite companies, Pan AmSat, Geostar, WorldSpace, Sirius satellite radio, now Sirius XM, uh on there, on that, on that own, that would be an extraordinary accomplishment. Going from there to uh turning pulmonary arterial uh hypertension um PAH from a death sentence to a manageable disease and saving your daughter's life in the process and building now a twenty-eight billion dollar you know biotech company in the process.
Extraordinary. And congrats on how United Therapeutics has done. It's an epic journey.
I appreciate it.
Um Building human organs? Yes. Uh Basically eliminating the shortage of transplantable organs and not only just building human organs, but building them, taking multiple different uh strategies to creating a abundant supply of organs. And we'll dive we'll dive into that. Heart, liver, lung, kidneys, thymus, super excited about the thymus. We'll talk about that. Uh building electric helicopters and EV tolls with beta. Yes, you know, just uh carbon free, energy efficient transport for the world. Uh you've worked on defining and supporting digital personhood and AI rights, which is an amazing statement on its own. We'll we'll get into that. And then working on championing radical life extension.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
When might we achieve longevity escape velocity and how does the thymus factor in?
0:00–5:43
2
Why is the thymus considered a key target for reversing aging?
5:43–11:34
3
Are we already at AI consciousness or is another breakthrough needed?
11:34–17:29
4
How are lab‑grown organs (heart, liver, kidney, lung) being scaled for clinical use?
17:29–24:40
5
What are the different strategies (allogenic, autologous, xenothymus) for thymus replacement?
24:40–31:25
6
How will digital personhood and AI legal rights evolve by the 2030s?
31:25–37:56
7
What advice does Martine give entrepreneurs on choosing and executing moonshots?
37:56–43:05
8
How can we address public fear of AI and ensure safe, beneficial development?
43:05–49:07
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