Debunking the claim that migrants will get half of new homes
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What claim does the Daily Express make about migrants and new homes?
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Hello and welcome to More or Less. I've used the programme budget to buy a new motorhome, which I've assured our editor is purely so we can broadcast wherever we want around the country. We'll see how that one pans out. In the meantime, let's get going. This week we examine the moron premium in the bond market. Or in plain language, why does it cost the government so much to borrow money and who should we blame? In a Welsh double bill, we answer a long-standing question about how many football pitches it would take to cover Wales, and more seriously, what does the evidence suggest about reading standards in Welsh schools? But first, last week, newsstands across the country featured this arresting headline from the Daily Express.
Migrants will get half of all new homes. Loyal listeners got in touch to ask us to investigate, so our reporter Nathan Gower has been looking into this. Hello, Nathan. Hi, Tim. The headline is pretty arresting, but don't stop there. When you actually read the story, it's talking about something quite different. How so? So that headline sounds to me at least like half of the new homes that are being built are earmarked to go to migrants. Agreed, it does sound like that. But that's not what's going on at all. There's nothing in the story about new housing being assigned to migrants.
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So what is the story actually about? It's based on an analysis made by the Conservative Party. I wanted to know how they came up with their figures, so last Wednesday I called them up and they told me to send them an email. And what was their reply? Well, they didn't reply, so the next day I sent another email. Did you get a reply to that? Nope, but I called again and they said they had seen the email and would get back to me. Did they? I've emailed them every day since then and had no reply. Surely not every day? Every day, including Sunday. Did there ever come a point, Nathan, when you decided you were going to get off email and do the work yourself? Yeah, Monday morning. OK, here goes. First, the Conservatives take government figures on the number of new homes that have been built in England since the Labour Party came to power in July 2024.
That's about 275,000 homes. Then they take figures for net migration since Labour came to power. Basically, the addition to the population due to migration. They say that's about 310,000. That seems to be their own estimate, by the way. This figure isn't actually officially published. then they tried to work out how many homes these immigrants would be expected to occupy. They assume it would be 2.36 immigrants per home. That's the average national household size. So this would equate to immigrants occupying about 130,000 homes. 130,000 is of course just under half of 275,000, hence the half claim. So from what you're saying, this whole story isn't about future houses or future migration. It's about homes that have already been built and migration that's already happened.
Correct. But even more importantly, there's nothing here about half of these homes being either occupied by or reserved for new migrants. Also, these aren't all social housing where councils make decisions about who gets them, only a small fraction are. So basically, if migrants wanted to live in one of these houses, in the vast majority of cases, they'd have to compete for them on the open market, alongside people already in the UK. That's despite what the Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp is quoted as saying in the article.
This is what uncontrolled immigration looks like. Nearly half of all homes Labour delivers vanish before a British family gets a look in.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:44
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What claim does the Daily Express make about migrants and new homes?
0:44–10:37
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How did the Conservatives calculate the number of homes for migrants?
10:37–23:47
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What does the evidence say about the impact of migration on housing?
23:47–31:07