What Can History Teach Us About Investing in 2025?
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How does 2025's AI-driven market compare to the 1999 dot‑com and 2007 mobile cycles?
How does the market in 2025 fit into the history of the stock market? Motley Fool Money starts now.
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From Fool Global Headquarters, this is Motley Fool Money. Welcome to Motley Fool Money. I'm Travis Hoyum, joined today by John Quast and Jason Moser. And I think this is an important time in the market to take a step back and look at a little bit of context and history. There are sort of these decade-long trends that we typically go through, and it seems like we're either at the beginning or end of one of those with artificial intelligence and all of the companies that are going crazy right now. right now. So I want to get your guys' thoughts on where we are. We all see the potential of artificial intelligence, but the internet was a massive opportunity in 1999. Mobile was a huge opportunity in 2007.
That didn't stop the crashes that ensued. So what sort of historic parallels, Jason, do you see in the market today that investors can learn from?
I love this idea. I think there are a lot of parallels we can draw here. There are some similarities, and I think there are some differences as well. You go back to, for example, the build-out of the internet back in 1999. the dot-com crash that ensued. There's a lot of similarities from then to what's going on today. There's massive infrastructure build-out. It's the foundation for what looks to be a new era of technology. And it's also accompanied by a lot of speculation in the markets. And we're seeing that in the form of A lot of nosebleed valuations. I'm not saying they're all nosebleed valuations, but there is some data that shows that AI-first companies today that are coming to market are getting 20% to 40% premium valuations over their non-AI-driven types of companies.
Then you're also seeing some of those speculative names are garnering valuations in the neighborhood of 200X sales. Some of them have gone parabolic just in the past few weeks. Yeah, absolutely. I understand the enthusiasm, but there was an interesting interview with Orlando Bravo the other day on TV. Heads of the firm Toma Bravo, which they specialize in SaaS software and stuff like that. The question that was posed, as it's been posed to most of us, is, are we in a bubble? He answered simply, yes. You can't have companies that are working on $50 million in annualized recurring revenue valued at $10 billion. That just doesn't work. It's not sustainable. At some point, we will see that shift. But I do think there are some differences, too.
Primarily, you look at the physical restraints of what was being built out back in 1999, that was laying all that optic cable. Physically difficult to do, but a little bit different than really the restraint today. Now we're talking about power. We're trying to figure out how to get the electricity and the power to really make all of this stuff run. I think funding is a little bit more realistic this time around, just because so much of it is coming from the hyperscalers. Let's put OpenAI aside here and look at the other companies, your Amazons, your Alphabets, your NVIDIAs of the world that are helping to fund a lot of this. And when you have businesses that are that big with more reliable cash flows, I think the funding side of it seems to be a little bit less speculative than it was back then.
Do you think that has changed over the past, even the past few weeks, with things like guaranteeing revenue? I think NVIDIA did that with CoreWeave. You're seeing more variable interest entities, or they're going by different names now, but it's basically doing some of these financings off balance sheet. That's what ultimately got Enron in trouble. that isn't necessarily a parallel that we want to go down. But it's one of those things where there are these small red flags that you can look throughout history and go, okay, when you start to see this happen, you should perk up a little bit.
I think you need to be asking the questions. I think it's no accident that this week, we really saw a lot of those maps circulating around that kind of were showing the intertwinedness of all of these.
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