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What recent event shifted the focus of the podcast?
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Hello and welcome to My Therapist Goes With Me with me, Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally. Okay, Stephen Bartlett. UK's biggest podcast. So he has the biggest podcast and everybody has gone kind of wild and we probably would have talked about this on the main had Brooklyn Beckham not come out with the news that he came out with. Taken up our time, yeah.
Yeah, so it just felt more important to cover Brooklyn but we also feel it's important to cover this because... Also, I do hope that we were met... When I left the pod yesterday and it was like I'd been... something had kind of passed through me. It was like I'd done ayahuasca. I was so high on the adrenaline of the podcast, but I was like, I hope we weren't too hard on him.
I think that everybody has an opinion on the thing. At the end of the day, it's a really sad situation and you'd hope that they will find a way to figure it out. The only thing that like, I just feel, I just think it's a step too far coming out against your family like that. It just feels, it's like a dirty game. It's like what Harry did. It's grim. Harry, Prince Harry. Is he still Prince? Oh yeah, no, that's Andrew.
Okay, yes, he is still Prince.
Who is Stephen Bartlett and why is he significant?
He's just kind of rando Harry now, isn't he?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's rando Harry. But yeah, so I just... I just want to add that in, I hope, because we were very worked up and I hope we weren't too harsh on him.
No. So, okay. So Stephen Bartlett, he does loads of different topics. I actually saw, and I listened to an episode of him and Esther Perel because I do really like her. You actually put me on to her and I really, really like her stuff. And he was talking to her about dating apps and she was kind of calling him out and he was like talking about how it's so hard for men. And like, there's this man who spent like two years, maybe it was five years on a dating app trying to find a girl. And this other man who was the most swiped, he did the most swipes. So he swiped like over 2000 people. He had conversations with a thousand. And then he only ended up having a date with one that didn't work out. And he was like, like, how are people supposed to meet each other?
And she was literally like, dude, they're meant to go out and meet each other. She was like, how long did he spend messaging people in his house when he could have been out meeting actual real people? Anyway, he did a podcast with a YouTuber called Chris Williamson. And they were talking about the declining birth rates. First of all, two men that have no children discussing declining birth weight is an unusual topic for them to touch on.
I think they were coming at it from a space of, you know, this male loneliness epidemic. And there's a lot of men who are, as we call incels, involuntary celibates, who can't find a woman to ride them. There's a new trend where de-centering men, women are financially secure. Marriage and kids isn't what it was. It's all kind of falling apart. And women are actually quite good at being on their own. We kind of have our community. We have good friends. And they're talking about, are these men entitled to have sex and keep their legacy and keep their genes going? Because all these men are going to die out.
No. To keep their, yeah, to keep their gene pool going. Listen, obviously there is a big problem with male loneliness, and we're not taking away from that, but it was the way that they said it, that women basically, basically painting women as the problem, and men have to pass on their genes, and how women are deciding to choose education, working in their careers, instead of going to have children, which was just, it kind of started from this list of a girl called Abigail Porter, and they were reading her list, and it was her 100 reasons plus not to have kids. Now, I found a lot of it funny. It was like morning sickness. This girl once threw up so much that she burst all the blood vessels in her eyes.
You can't choose how many babies you have. Imagine you decide to have kids and then boom, you have triplets.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What recent event shifted the focus of the podcast?
0:02–1:17
2
Who is Stephen Bartlett and why is he significant?
1:17–5:20
3
What are the implications of male loneliness discussed in the episode?
5:20–7:56
4
How do societal expectations affect men's dating experiences?
7:56–9:30
5
What controversial opinions were shared about declining birth rates?
9:30–14:17
6
How does the discussion address the concept of entitlement in relationships?
14:17–19:53
7
What are the red flags in dating mentioned in the episode?
19:53–22:00