Weekend Edition: China and US. Who holds the cards?
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Why did Donald Trump impose tariffs on China and what happened to them?
China, America's arch nemesis in trade, but however severe the tariffs that Trump puts on them, he always seems to roll them back. Does that mean that he really needs them? So does China hold all the cards? Even if the Chinese economy has problems, too much product, not enough demand, a lack of investment, a lot of empty houses. How does China find its way through all of this? And what are the levers that the Communist Party and the PBOC can put? The morning call from Nab with Phil Dobby. The weekend edition. And before we start, a word on next week. I'm going to be talking to NAB CEO Andrew Irvin again, including our Ask Andrew segment. We did it before and it seemed to work well, so we're going to give it another shot.
So this is your chance to put your question to him directly on this podcast, whether it's a question about the economy or on banking, on management, on nab itself. Something that we can really get our teeth stuck into. So whatever you think is relevant. Send that question either written down or verbally on a sound file and we'll feature it on the podcast. Attach it to an email. Send that or your written question to morningcall at nab.com.au. Morningcall at nabb.com dot AU. Now, this week, if Donald Trump is worried about his balance of trade deficit, then he's right to focus on China. Their trade deficit with China last year was close to three. Billion dollars. Uh that was a lot better than it has been uh most years lately, but it's still more than a third of the total trade deficit that the US has, which is uh well, was 918 billion last year.
Hence the tariffs, in part because of the trade balance, in part because of fentanyl, and now the threat of tariffs for buying Russian oil. Not just tariffs in the US, but if uh Trump has his Tariffs imposed on China from all G7 countries, even though we know that is very unlikely to happen. So US tariffs have been held back from their three-digit highs thanks to a truce that was reached in May, then extended to another 90 days in August. Then well, we are halfway through that. The truce ends again in November. So let's get the low of the land now with Arthur Krober, who founded the China-focused research company. Dragonomics in Beijing in two thousand and two. That has merged with research firm GavCal.
He is now their head of research. Before that, he was a journalist specializing in the Asian region. He's got a book under his belt, China's Economy, What Everyone Needs to Know, published in two thousand and six. There was a second edition in two thousand and twenty. Well, given what's happened since then, Arthur, I mean, how much of a rewrite is needed now? Because I mean, surely the the the China Chinese economy has moved a lot in the last five years, or are the fundamentals the same?
Well, so the the the purpose of the book was to uh was partly to explain how China grew from being very poor to being uh you know one of the most important economies in the world and a technological dynamo. Um so a lot of it covers the history from the late nineteen seventies up until, you know, recently, and history doesn't change, but um Oh yeah, it's true. Uh I I have to say that that book, the second edition of that book, I submitted the manuscript in December of twenty nineteen, which was right before the COVID uh uh epidemic uh broke out. Uh we managed to get in a slight uh you know, a few a four page post script uh to talk about the early days of COVID. But um I I think the one thing that I would
uh significantly update uh from that version uh written in 2020 was I like a lot of other people. I think underrated China's technological capacities. And one of the things that's very striking over the last few years is that although, you know, as a as an economy in growth terms, China has slowed down quite a lot, um, but their technological prowess in things like electric vehicles, anything related to new energy, industrial road robotics and so forth, uh, it's really become very, very evident. So So I I think the the sort of conundrum that all of us uh looking at China face today is the economy at a macro level has a lot of problems and it's it's slow, they've got deflation, they've got these trade problems with the United States.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
Why did Donald Trump impose tariffs on China and what happened to them?
0:01–6:49
2
How large was the U.S.–China trade deficit and why does it matter?
6:49–10:47
3
Who is Arthur Kroeber and what perspective does he bring to the China‑U.S. trade debate?
10:47–21:04
4
What are China’s current technological strengths in EVs, AI chips and robotics?
21:04–31:21
5
How does China keep its goods in the U.S. market despite high tariffs?
31:21–34:35