Weekend Edition: the strategy behind Trump’s territorial intent

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Why does Donald Trump’s focus shift from tariffs to territorial claims?

Phil Dobbie 0:01
Well, there might be some sort of resolution or off-ramp for Greenland, but President Trump's focus all of a sudden does seem this year to be less on tariffs and more on territory. So is there a plan behind all of this? Well, our guest this week says it all gets down to one thing: taking on China. We'll explain why this week. The morning call from NAB with Phil Dobby.
Tom Holland 0:24
The weekend is.
Phil Dobbie 0:25
So Venezuela, Iran, Greenland, what exactly is Donald Trump up to at the moment? Is it just the case of a man who likes to make headlines in as unpredictable a way as possible, or is there a strategy behind all of this? Well, Tom Holland is Deputy Global Research Director at Gavcol. Uh he's been a commentator on energy markets and geopolitics for a long time. In fact, uh Tom, your profile on the Gavcol website says You used to be a an exploration geologist till a collapse in the commodity prices forced you into journalism, the traditional refuge of the otherwise unemployable. Well, ain't the truth. So here we both are.
Tom Holland 1:03
Yeah. As uh there's there there there's a few former geologists knocking around in in journalism and every so often we we we get together and uh congratulate ourselves on our lucky escape from looking at rocks for the rest of our lives.
Phil Dobbie 1:18
Well I don't know. I suspect it would pay better looking at rocks. But we are talking about a lot of this is to do with, obviously, to do with what comes out of the earth. So um 'cause you believe Donald Trump's actions in V Venezuela and Iran has a lot to do with power politics over China. So how so?
Tom Holland 1:37
That's right. Um There are a lot of factors behind the US action i in Venezuela. Um, and clearly uh Donald Trump's desire to dominate the headlines uh is is one of them.

How are the US actions in Venezuela and Iran meant to signal China?

Tom Holland 1:51
But at a deeper level, um there are clearly people in the US administration who are focused on um countering what they see as a very real threat um from China, a strategic threat that uh that affects the the future course uh of United States policy. And the US approach in in Venezuela is very much informed by that. If we take a step back to to uh well indeed all all the way back to uh Uh two thousand eighteen. When the US ramped up its its controls on exports of semiconductors to China. Um it was hoping to uh the US was hoping to to to essentially weaken China strategically or or rather not to give away uh as much of the US advantage as they have been doing. Now in time China uh responded to this, uh we saw China's um restrictions on rare earth exports uh to the US uh and and indeed other other countries, um which went into effect last year.
Tom Holland 3:06
Now here China was was exploiting uh a US strategic weakness, its dependence on China for uh critical minerals. So we do see this backwards and forwards. In the latest move, um abducting Nicolas Maduro from Venezuela, effectively taking control of uh Venezuela's oil exports, the US has reminded China that China is very heavily uh dependent on energy imports. imports uh its economy relies uh for some foreign imports for something like um uh twenty five percent of its total energy needs. And imports coming largely by sea are are very exposed to um here at potential attempts uh by the US to uh interdict those shipments. So we we do see a sort of game of ping pong here, uh where it where each side is highlighting the other's um strategic weaknesses.
Phil Dobbie 4:10
Right. So the so the weakness on the US side is that they don't have enough of the rare earth. Uh China has but China doesn't have the energy the US does. But I mean uh China's been buying from Venezuela, but they could I mean there is supposedly an oversupply, global oversupply in oil. They could just buy from elsewhere, couldn't they?
Tom Holland 4:28
Uh that that's r that's right. Um Venezuela's exports to China were running at about four hundred thousand barrels a day last year.

What strategic importance does Greenland hold for the United States?

Tom Holland 4:36
Now China was importing uh about eleven million barrels a day. So Venezuelan oil is is is a very, very small portion of China's imports, but it was the message that Washington sent, which is significant here. Um we can interrupt your energy imports.

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