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In the last episode of this series, Dr. Justin Abbatemarco and Dr. Benjamin P. Trewin discuss how to apply this data into clinical practice. Read more about this abstract on the AAN website. Show transcript: Dr. Justin Abbatemarco: Hello, and welcome back. This is Justin Abbatemarco and I'm joined by Benjamin Trewin where we're reviewing top abstracts from the AAN annual meeting in Chicago. Today we're talking about his abstract maintenance immunotherapy and MOGAD, early steroid benefit, dose thresholds, and disability risk. Ben, we've done this really great job of dissecting the data, steroids, non-steroidal agents. How do you think about the treating MOGAD cases in clinic though? How do you try to put this data and the data we've talked about into clinical practice? Dr. Benjamin P. Trewin: It's obviously a very good and actionable question, and our research has always tried to focus on these dilemmas facing the clinician at the bedside. And so the way that we think about this is, of course, we try to come up with some rules or some guidelines to treat all patients, as that's the most effective way of giving the message, but we need to acknowledge there is variation within MOGAD patients. There are people with low relapsing propensity who will take a very long time to relapse. You'll need to follow them for a long time. And there are ones with high relapsing propensity. So some of our previous work, we actually reviewed thousands of MOGAD patients in the literature and found that if you follow them for more than five years, over 70% actually relapse. It's just a matter of following them. So acknowledging this variation in the patients is important, but at the same time, the guideline we would probably endorse based on our research is that all patients with MOGAD after a first attack should be treated with oral corticosteroid taper, including at least five months of 12.5 milligrams per day oral corticosteroids. Now, how does that work in practice? Well, you would probably start them, and I say probably here because we don't have the strength of evidence for the very start of the course and the very end. But what did we do? Well, we start them at about one milligram per kilogram. And over probably about two to three weeks, you can bring them down to about 12.5 milligrams per day, or in children, 0.16 milligram per kilogram per day. And then you'll do that four or five months. And then over two or three weeks after that, you would step them down. Of course, you want to be careful that you don't have any adrenal issues. You would want to go slow enough for that. But at the same time, you don't want to prolong the course too long and put yourself at risk of side effects. Dr. Justin Abbatemarco: I think that's really helpful and practical. And you don't need these huge doses, it looks like, to treat these patients well and trying to really be mindful of those side effects that are truly dose dependent. And then yeah, we have some really great data. We need some randomized data to help us inform next steps, but this retrospective data, we're starting to put together this picture around B-cell depleting IVIG like we talked about. So super helpful. Ben, really excited to see you at the annual meeting. And yeah, thank you for your time and expertise.