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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: Why hasn't Mal invited Drake to the podcast?
Pause. Yeah. All right, cool. But I'm not in my mind that doesn't even, you know, so when I see people say, oh, he didn't, he got to get them all in. Why? Why? Like, I don't, because, because truthfully, truthfully, the things that we talk about, I wouldn't even talk about on camera. I would never ask him that on camera. You get what I'm saying?
Because I just don't think that people are even worth the answer. Okay.
Yeah.
You know what I mean? Because it's like, okay, even if he says it, even if we get Drake, we get the, we get the judge. Let's paint the scenario for him. We get the Drake interview. Gotcha. We ask every question that's online. Can we stay in Toronto for the week? I don't, wherever. Drake said, bring the fucking camera. That's what I'm trying to leverage. To wherever.
I wouldn't give a fuck where we go. No, let's do it in Toronto. Even if he's in New York, let's fly to Toronto. There's things that we've spoken about that I would never ask on camera. Of course, but I still think there's like basic shit that Bobby's not going to ask or it'll be pitched as like a sarcasm. She'll be like, she's like, who's this Kendrick guy?
She'll like ask that stuff.
Even if she does that, right? Even if she asks the hard-hitting questions, even if she gets to like- Bobby asking them. I'm just saying. This could be the pivot. She'd go from that sarcasm to humor shit to- to fucking Barbara Walters.
We don't know.
We don't know. She got a little work done. She look a little better. I don't know if she got work done. So you putting that, I don't know about that. What I'm saying is, is certain shit that I would never ask. I just would not ask. Like it's just, I'm just not, I'm not, it's not that serious to me. I guess my point is the stuff that,
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Chapter 3: What does Mal think about Rihanna's music career status?
What if Drake asked you to do Bobby's second episode? In the event that he is invested into this new venture. Like me and Bobby sit down one-on-one? You'd be the next guest. Like how she went to like Drake and then Mark Cuban. It'd be like Drake and then them all. Oh, I would kick it with Bobby. Yeah, why not? I probably would. I wouldn't. I mean... Yeah, she seems like... I don't really care.
It seems like a cool conversation. You know what I mean? What's the pushback there? I don't really care that much. Yeah, I'm like, okay, cool. Call me a culture vulture. I've definitely went on rants about Bobby. I just don't really care that much. You went on rants about him? In the beginning, it was a little... That was just a little weird. I thought... What was weird? Oh, like she was a plant?
Like where did she come from? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was more so that and like where her... Like the specific type of acts in the beginning that her team was focused on. And then she branched out and then had to come back to hip hop because that... The real reaction with that dry humor stuff came because she was coming from outside of the culture. Right. When she would do it with...
you know whether it be bobby lee or mark cuban or other people she couldn't lean on that because you weren't getting the same reaction either the comedian was carrying it or mark cuban was just answering like he wouldn't any interview it just wasn't interesting the way it was when drake is playing a rack city and she's like i don't know who this is or she's doing an awful bit um i forgot shorty's name of i'm a musician i'm a magician which which i don't even understand why y'all found that like that was such a bad stage bit
So, yeah, I've definitely had some pushback. But what I do with Bobby, yeah, I don't like I don't care that much. I just don't know when people get so worked up about these things. I just don't know who they be wanting people like. Who do you like? You can't sit and talk with everybody like no artist can sit and talk with everybody.
So when people get upset, oh, he's not talking to anybody from the coach. He sat and talked with one of his close friends, Yachty. They had a conversation, and they kicked it about. That was pre-beef, though. Yeah, okay. So now post beef, they want who do they want? No, I think that's everyone's point that Drake was very much talking to everybody in the culture pre beef.
And now that that happened, it's only been streamers that are not of not even just hip hop, just not music, period. So it appears like you're avoiding. any type of question that would be asked, which by the way, I'm fine with at the moment, because I think there's a time and place when you can address those things, and I think it should come with the album.
If he wants to just fucking kick it with streamers now and just make little pot shot jokes every now and then, cool. But at some point, I think he needs to sit down with somebody I think he does. And I think he will.
And I'm fine now.
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Chapter 4: Who is more recognizable in public, Taylor Swift or Beyonce?
Especially a father. How do people not factor that in? Like, maybe he's never going to Hot 97 again. Maybe he's never... He said that 15 years ago. I was just bringing in other... But I'm saying, why do people not... Why do people feel like he should just get over it? And just move on and just sit down with everybody and talk that... I don't think that... I just said just one...
No, no, I'm just asking. I'm just posing the question. Like, why do people, people don't factor that in? Because we want to hear from him. Because when you get somebody that is of that level of fame. But why do you want to hear from him? So he can answer questions. People will be like, nah, he's lying. Nah, that's not how he feel. Yo, he's lying. Nah, he don't.
Why are you suing the, nah, you suing the labels. You a rat. You a snitch. What the fuck are we talking about here?
and obviously i'm not saying kendrick hasn't done little easter egg stuff like the super bowl promo or anything but for the most part he stays quiet and off social media whereas drake with the iceman episodes there's a bunch of things still regarding the beef uh instagram he's talking about it a lot he says stuff on stage certain times he's he's wearing certain outfits that address it that's where i think people want more from it's like all right if you're gonna keep
constantly reminding us every day about this plus all the lawsuit stuff that goes out every day people want to hear from Drake I don't think it's crazy for fans to want to hear from him when he also constantly in his own way brings it up as well whereas Kendrick not to say he's quiet all the time he finds different ways to go about it less energy over there because he's kind of to himself whereas Drake is forward-facing with it even when he's talking to these streamers about gambling he'll throw in low shots like no the difference is Drake is the biggest artist in the world and constantly constantly
Addressing it. Well, should he not? No, I think he should. I'm answering why people would want to hear from Drake. They're going to always want to hear from the biggest artists in the world. Sure, but specifically, that's why the Rap Radar interview was so hailing. Outside of B.Dot and Elliot doing a great job in that interview and asking every question we wanted to...
Here, there was a lot going on in Drake's life at that time, whether it be his kid, whether it be the Meek Mill shit, whether it be the Pusha T shit, like a lot was going on where we want to hear from the biggest artist in the world. And this is the first biggest artist in the world that we've had access to.
You can't name another artist at Drake's level that we've ever had access to the way we have access to him. No other A-lister of that magnitude has been on social media the same way. The same way he'd be outside. Like, that's where things are a bit different. Like, even, shit, with Madonna, who was kind of outside like that, she was still, like... You still didn't know what was going on.
Like, you didn't know she was dating Haitian Jack. If she had Instagram, maybe you would be like, yo, I have questions. Yeah. Why are you walking out with Haitian Jack? Why are you on live with Haitian Jack right now? Things would be different. But yeah, he's forward facing. He's the most forward facing star we've ever had in music. I asked a question to you.
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Chapter 5: What insights does The Kid Mero share about the podcasting industry?
I didn't like that they put Friday at the kids table with John Legend. Yeah. But I mean, to the point of not having Drake records that you obviously were banking on. I don't think he'll have another Jay-Z verse. Here's the thing though. I didn't think on God did he would get a Jay-Z verse and he got a four minute Jay-Z verse. If... I'll admit when I'm wrong.
And I probably said it on the podcast. There ain't no way he getting another Jay-Z. I just didn't feel like the timing was there or Khaled was even focusing on music like that at that point. And then he got one of the greatest Hove guest features ever. Which is why I think he won't get another one. I think that was Jay's like... But Jay will do things... Jay will give verses to his investments.
And that's why you get... two Beyonce and Jay-Z records on two different Khaled projects, one with Future. Like, he's invested in Khaled. He manages Khaled. So... Yeah, but I still don't... Again, with an artist like Jay, who's obviously a legacy artist at this point, like, I just don't know what he does after... a record or a verse like God did. Like, now what?
We gonna give us another, I got the keys? Like, you don't really, to me, God just feels like this is my, I'm bowing out, like I'm done. You know what I mean? What else, what other type of song could Khaled or Jay make for Khaled? You know what I mean? I just don't understand where you go from there. I don't think he should pivot to the younger audience.
I think throwing them in the mix a little bit is whatever, but Khaled's real connections are where he can have moments is when he gets Legacy X, i.e. getting a Jay-Z verse to be the intro on his album last time. That was the moment. I mean, Rihanna...
technically I guess was legacy when wild thoughts came out, but having moments like that, having Alicia Keys on your project, having like all these crazy A-list names that don't usually do shit, we'll be like, all right, I'll give my verse for the year or my record for the year to Khaled.
I don't know if the younger generation gives a fuck about that, but I also don't know if legacy acts are running to do that anymore either. Like, Rihanna, it took a Smurfs movie that she was fucking heavily involved in to get a record out of that. I don't know if she's doing a Khaled album. I mean, do you think she would get on there?
I don't think Rihanna's making music because Rihanna realizes or feels like it's just not worth her time. The music industry is... It's a dying thing. Like, what is the music industry? You see all these artists from years ago, where we've seen everybody selling their catalog. Yeah. And we didn't know why.
Why are people selling their entire catalogs for... Because it's like, if I can get this much money for this music now, with the way streaming is affecting, you know, things and how it's paid, AI... I think artists just realize like this thing that we came in on with this thing called, you know, the music industry is changing.
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Chapter 6: How does Mal view Drake's media relationships?
No, I know, but I'm saying, in Rihanna's dance, you only have to be inspired by one record. Or you could have one record on your hard drive that you love, and it's like, I have to wait to put this out because it needs to be surrounded by something. But that was the genius of the Khaled Project. Like, even the Jay-Z and Beyonce Shining record, which I think is incredible.
It's one of my favorite Jay-Z and Beyonce collabs. I don't think they would have ever put that out had it not been around something specific. It has to make sense. We got Beyonce rapping with Future and Hov on top off. That's not coming out unless Beyonce is doing something or Jay-Z is doing something. Khaled gives those opportunities.
I just don't know if anyone's running to care for that in the current climate, which is not a knock to Khaled. It's a knock to the climate. But I mean, Rihanna putting out that... Smurf thing, I don't think she's inspired or I think she would have put music out because again, she doesn't need the money. She doesn't have to march to anyone's drum. She can do whatever the fuck she wants.
If she's inspired, if she wants to put out fucking Celtic reggae, she could do it because it's Rihanna. I feel like she would do that with a Khaled album if that was a thing that, if those moments mattered anymore. I just don't know if moments are a thing in the music industry anymore. What are the moments? Uh, everything outside of the music is the moment.
Is it just us seeing, like, artists' names featured together on a song that we never thought... Like, okay, we never thought we would see these two work together. Like, that's a moment. Okay, we got to hear what that's about, what they did. But again, even with that, once you hear the record, it's like...
we just move on the consumers the average we just move on from things so fast now things don't sit with us like that's why back to what I was saying I don't really care if Jay puts out another album because I know what's going to happen the people that grew up with Jay and that love Jay and hold him to high regard we're going to love it
But there's a whole new generation now and people that have platforms and spaces and they don't care about Jay like that. Like they don't hold him to that regard like we do. Like Cardi just did the sample, the record Imaginary Players. That song started charted again. That's the first time some people ever even heard that Jay record.
Yeah, but again, with someone like a Rihanna or a Jay, why would their mind move to the younger generation record? Why would they even care about that? I mean, not that they don't care, but to an extent, you have to care about the younger generation because it's a large part of the consumers.
It's a large part of the people that are influencing the sound and the new trends and things that are going on, even the slang, the way people talk, the way people dress. It's always going to lean a little younger. That's just how it's always been. So you have to kind of be in tune with what... The new generation is kind of doing what they're into now. Not that you have to care.
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Chapter 7: What are the challenges of interviewing high-profile artists like Drake?
If I get in my homie's car. That's in the fucking act legend. You could throw on Bad Blood for sure.
That's knocking with the 12-inch subs in the back.
Nobody has ever played Taylor Swift in an accurate legend. That has never happened. That has never happened. It's on my same playlist with Coogee Rapp. Survival of the fittest. Yo, playing Taylor right after Coogee rap is crazy. Like, yo, what's up, man? We all like, what's the vibe? Like, what you going through in your car if you go from Coogee rap to Taylor Swift?
I actually feel like I should get more into Taylor Swift. I don't like boycott. I'm not an anti-Taylor person. I just haven't taken the time to like get into her catalog. I'm sure I would probably like it because I love pop music. I like Taylor Swift, but I mean, I gotta be, I can't be at that. I gotta be doing something. Like, I gotta be in Target or something like that. I gotta, you know.
You have to be waiting in line at Starbucks where they sell the CD. Yeah, toiletries. I gotta, because she helps you. I feel like Taylor helps you remember that you need paper towels. Like, when you go to Target and you push in the car and you're walking around and you're like, Taylor's, she's gonna say something where you be like, paper towel. Yeah. You gotta go get the paper towel.
Start thinking about your ex and how your ex never had paper towels in her crib. Yeah, that's why I like Taylor. She helps you get your crib together, get your home together. Speaking of getting it home together, congratulations to Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey announcing their engagement. I think that that was big, great, happy news over the week. No, you didn't think that.
I was happy for them, man. They look like they're happy. They enjoy each other. They look like they're having a great time and doing life together. We have to stop this. to them. For sure, congrats. They're having a really good time together and really enjoying each other. We need to stop lying, myself included, on this podcast as far as you were not happy for them. I was.
I was happy for Travis and Taylor. During this week when you were just quiet by yourself, you felt a sense of joy. Yes, that was beautiful news. I was so happy for Travis. You scrolled past it and then just kept going. I was so happy for Travis. I was so happy for them. I was like, you know what? Good for them, man. Make it official. get married, have beautiful children, and enjoy life.
I truly don't think I've ever been happy for a couple that I didn't know. Really? Like, the actual, like, I felt a sense of joy when two people found love. Unless I knew them. Okay. Like, this is good. I mean, good for them. Yeah. But that's what I said. I said, great. It's great for them. Like, I think Travis's mom is happy. I wouldn't say I'm happy. Yeah.
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Chapter 8: How does the discussion shift to the music industry and its evolution?
Family is getting engaged. They got engaged in marriage. Now, if Travis stops podcasting after he gets married, then he's a culture vulture. Yeah, then he's out of here. Then we kick him out. You used us to go find love with like, I guess some... Some people like her. Yeah. Some people. And then you just, you left, you left us all hanging.
If the entire podcast community is not invited to the wedding, then I do feel some type of way. I feel like that's, we're owed that at least. Like you think Travis and them got the same CPM if we didn't put the legwork in first? Like, do they even, does Taylor even hear their podcast without us? That's where I'm at with this whole shit. Oh man. Either way.
Where do you, how do you plan a Taylor Swift wedding?
Yeah.
It's a big wedding. I was talking the last time how they even do Thanksgiving. I would be so scared if I was Travis right now. How do you do a Taylor Swift wedding?
I'm sure it's so much less work than you think it would be.
Like Bono has to marry us. I don't even know how you do this.
They're regular people. They like regular stuff. Let's just be regular.
Taylor Swift is not a regular person. She's a human. I agree that she is a human.
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