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Episode 176 | Hip Hop Is No Longer #1

16 Jun 2023

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

0.031 - 3.575 Unknown

This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.

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5.878 - 14.69 Daniel Alarcon

I'm Daniel Alarcón, and this is my friend who's much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far, but I'm John Green, co-host of the podcast The Away End with my old friend Daniel.

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14.87 - 26.865 John Green

On our podcast The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important.

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27.031 - 39.287 Daniel Alarcon

Listen to The Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. And I am Greg Rosenthal.

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39.307 - 44.955 Rory

I know that, Greg. We're teaming up on 40s and Free Agents, the podcast that owns the NFL offseason.

44.975 - 59.577 Daniel Alarcon

This is where teams are built. Free agency, combine, pro days, trades. Every move matters. From my draft boards and mock drafts. To my vaunted top 101 free agents and how rosters come together. Quarterback movement. Surprise signings.

59.677 - 66.96 Rory

We'll tell you what it means and who really wins. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search 40s and free agents, and listen now.

67.143 - 79.414 Julian Edelman

This is Julian Edelman, host of Games With Names. On our latest episode, we got comedian Blake Anderson from Workaholics and the hilarious This Is Important podcast. Let's go! We did beat them in improv.

79.434 - 97.15 Unknown

You had an improv against the team? Yes, we would pull up their schools, would be there with signs for us. It's competition. What you would win is a bottle of Goldschlager. James Fester threw it out of a van because he didn't want us drinking it. For more Games With Names, visit the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

Chapter 2: What are the implications of YK Osiris's recent actions?

589.238 - 592.824 Rory

She's rapping on there. I didn't think it was a Nicki Minaj shot the way everyone else did.

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593.185 - 594.106 Unknown

Yeah, I don't think so either.

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594.226 - 610.273 Rory

I think I thought she was big. Is that the line right here? Why she thinks she Nicki M. She thinks she hot shit. Hmm. I never gave a F. Go start a pod, bitch. Wow. I got your head all in the dirt, just like an ostrich. Of course, you bitches comparing Doja to who the hottest. I think that might have been a shot at me. Yeah, I was going to say, that sounds like a shot to Rory.

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610.293 - 611.215 Maul

Go start a pod, bitch.

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611.235 - 622.336 Rory

This is a Rory diss. Who do you think she's talking about? Ostriches. I was trying to rack my brain on what chick looked like an ostrich, who she has beef with. I was trying to connect all the dots on my way here. And I couldn't figure out who she was talking about.

622.356 - 627.247 Unknown

I don't think she's dissing a rapper. It gives like she's dissing like a personality, like a media personality.

627.267 - 646.536 Rory

But we all know like when a girl looks like an ostrich. Come on, let's use our brains here. Who in the media looks like an ostrich? In the media? Oh, I don't know. I think reading that, I think she may have seen that under one of her comments. That sounds like something she's repeating. Why she thinks she Nikki M. She thinks she hot shit.

646.556 - 657.788 Rory

That sounds like something she may be repeating from a comment or something on one of her posts or something like that. Ostriches are like long neck, big body, right? Yeah, we know a lot of those girls. That's before the BBL. Some are attractive.

Chapter 3: How does social media influence public perception?

658.612 - 662.298 John Green

What rap star or celebrity we know has a long neck, big body?

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662.438 - 663.159 Rory

I'm going with most.

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663.199 - 665.563 John Green

She's not talking about it. I think it's like a comic.

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665.583 - 678.323 Rory

She's reading back something that she read or directed to her and playing off of that shit. You said the song is good. Yeah, for sure. Her album is when? Friday?

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678.763 - 680.905 Unknown

No, the single comes out Friday. Oh, the single's Friday. My bad.

681.166 - 702.928 Rory

Yeah. So the single's Friday. Not sure when the actual album is coming. I think she's going to pop up in Idols at some point. I don't know why. I just have a feeling she will for this album rollout. Really? That makes sense, though. Probably playing herself, too, to some degree. She was great in Dave. She can act, for sure. Is Doja... Because she obviously is... She's playing with the media...

704.123 - 723.911 Rory

Is she now in a space where we don't know what to take seriously from her? Just now? We don't know when she's trolling. We don't know when she's. I mean, she led with I'm a cow bitch. So I kind of haven't. Which is fine. I haven't known in quite some time what's serious and what's not. But like since then, she hasn't really played with her music. Like her personality, internet, Twitter.

723.931 - 728.798 Rory

She said all of her shit was. Jokey joke. Was a joke and we all fell for it.

728.778 - 736.455 Unknown

Well, she said it was watered down pop music, basically. Because it's not the music that she really wants to make. She's great at pop music, but she said that's not the music she wants to make.

Chapter 4: What are the implications of Meek's tweets about YK Osiris?

3865.843 - 3886.917 Rory

You don't know that. That's why I said I'm speculating, and you are correct. But do you believe in your heart of hearts that Meek and Osiris... be chilling. I don't know. I mean, we seen last year, Osiris had, he was hanging out with everybody. He owed everybody money from bets and basketball and shit that he wasn't paying. Like, I don't know who these dudes have relationships with.

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3886.977 - 3887.999 Rory

I don't really pay attention to that.

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3888.019 - 3890.886 Unknown

But that don't mean you can speak on how they react. I'm just saying, I

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3890.866 - 3908.395 Rory

I don't know the relationships that these dudes have with each other. I don't know who hangs out with who. I don't know who kicks it with who. I can't speak to that. I'm saying that it may be a world where Meek and Osiris, we don't even know, may be very cool with each other. And we would never expect it. Like, where? Y'all really be, like, kicking it like that? Like, I don't know that.

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3908.575 - 3911.58 Rory

But even with that... I have no evidence. Just a feeling.

3911.8 - 3931.915 Damaris

And that's also a different layer of... The way you know, like the way we're close as friends is different than the way your friend treats women. Like we know people that when they're around women act completely different. Like I'm going to treat like guys that treat their guy friends or even like girlfriends different than like a woman that they want to hook up with.

3932.376 - 3937.545 Damaris

And you see a different kind of energy and you're like, like that. I've seen that. Like, oh, that's how you.

3937.525 - 3961.592 Damaris

that's nasty but you don't see that you we can be watching tv watching the game listening to music i'm all you can be a whole different animal if there's a woman that someone wants to pursue in the room and then your energy you're just on some different shit and i mean me navigating through my life i've changed even my reviews of people when it comes to stuff that they do on their own exactly

Chapter 5: How do relationships affect perceptions of behavior in public spaces?

3961.572 - 3986.348 Rory

I've had nothing but good experiences with a certain person, but in no way does that now define that they may not do something nasty when I'm not around. But I'm also not accusing them of it. I'm just not going to be put in a position to discredit someone else's experience with somebody because I've had nothing but good ones with them. And that's where I'm meek. I mean, come on.

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3986.733 - 3998.453 Rory

Is this your family member? Like, do you know this person? He could be a good person in every experience that you've had with him. But what experiences are those? A party? I'm just saying, I don't know. I can't speak to it. It's more conversation.

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3998.473 - 4013.968 Rory

That's why I said I didn't want to make it just specific to Meek and Osiris, but we've seen this plenty of times, whether it be celebrity stuff or non-celebrity shit, of people that don't really know everyone that they're around and immediately, because they've had such good experience with them, go out on a limb and be like, nah, they're a good person.

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4014.388 - 4033.89 Rory

I would hope that in order, whatever, you know, made Meek feel like jumping out there and tweeting that, I would hope that he did that when... with having a real relationship with YK. I would hope. I think you're giving Meek a lot of credit. So I said, I would hope that there's a real relationship and a real history between them and he can really speak to knowing him as a person.

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4034.01 - 4053.728 Rory

I would only hope that that's what the situation is. How'd you feel about Meek's other tweet after this and not, I'm sorry, before this, not related to Osiris, where he was asking if he fell off and he only wanted to hear from supporters and everyone was killing him for that question. I wasn't too mad at that approach. I was mad at it. How so?

4054.671 - 4073.639 Rory

Because Meek shouldn't be asking the internet if they feel like he fell off. Because even if they don't feel like you fell off, they're going to say you fell off just because it's the internet and that's what the internet does. Well, I mean, he made the mistake of thinking that only his supporters were going to reply back to that constructive criticism.

4074.08 - 4085.056 Rory

But you can sift through all just the internet bullshit and the trolls. And there was some constructive criticism that I feel like maybe needed to hear from people that support him. But what is that though?

Chapter 6: What are the boundaries of friendships with exes and their families?

4085.617 - 4112.792 Rory

What is... What is... What is... Meek, somebody who has access and relationships with people in very high places at this point in his life. What is asking Twitter, the social media, if they think he fell off or don't really think he got it with rapping anymore? What is that going to do for him? To your exact point, you're so out of touch. Like Michael Rubin can't tell you if your music fell off.

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4113.329 - 4132.153 Rory

I think it's incredible you guys have a relationship and you guys go to the Hamptons together and you rap about him. You guys play tennis. He's not going to tell you, and he's not your fan base that has built you to the place to even know Michael Rubin, that you've fallen off or not. So exactly to your point is why I think he should be asking... Twitter? No.

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4132.994 - 4133.695 Unknown

Who do you ask then?

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4133.815 - 4157.747 Rory

This was a bad move. Do you ask Hove? You don't ask... Hove wouldn't... No, he's not a fan that just lives in Jersey. When you're an artist, first of all, you have to have the utmost confidence in your craft. When you're an athlete, whatever you do, you have to have the utmost confidence. When you ask questions like this to social media, this is not a very confident...

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4158.335 - 4161.22 Rory

This is not a very confident question.

Chapter 7: How does the conversation shift to the NBA and Jokic's championship win?

4161.28 - 4175.346 Rory

But we killed Meek when he was confident on that last release. That just wasn't it. He was confident in the low album sales. He blamed it on Atlanta. He was very confident and delusional. Absolutely. But that doesn't mean ask social media if y'all think I fell off. Well, here's what he said.

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4175.686 - 4182.976 Damaris

Who think I fell off or don't really think I got it with rapping anymore? I'm for real. I need answers and tell me the truth. I'm not taking it personal.

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4183.157 - 4189.906 Daniel Alarcon

I need to hear how people think before I do what I do. A social experiment. Answer if you're a supporter of mine.

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4189.926 - 4204.305 Rory

And I looked through all the, to some degree, some of the responses, and of course the internet is always going to internet. But in between there, I thought there was some really good feedback for what Meek needs in his career right now. Of course there's going to be jokes. It's the internet. You know that. But

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4205.095 - 4228.099 Rory

There was great shit that I hope Meek scrolled past the jokes and saw that people that are fans of him gave him real advice. They weren't hating. They were just being critical in a constructive way. And I think Meek really needs that right now. I don't know if the people around him can give him that answer right now. I just to me, this is just the wrong approach.

4228.265 - 4235.963 Rory

I just don't think that, again, artists like Meek Mill should be asking social media if they think he fell off with rapping.

4235.993 - 4255.869 Unknown

I feel like there's a way to do that social experience. I'm social experiment. I'm sorry. Without wording it like that. Like you can say, yo, what y'all want to hear from me? What lane y'all, what, what way do y'all want me to go with this next album? Like something like that. If you want to hear what they want from you, but asking who think I fell off. That means that you've been reading.

4255.889 - 4256.971 Unknown

People say that about you.

4257.612 - 4259.976 Rory

That's why I said, this is not a very confident thing.

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