The Starmer-Burnham Defence Handover
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Henry Paddy, can either of you play chess?
I'm aware of the rules, but beyond that, no, absolutely not. That's such a political answer. Sorry. I mean, as in I can play.
I could play against you, but you'd beat me very quickly, assuming you're good, which I suspect you are. No, I'm not. I can play drafts. But this is we're asking because we're looking at a picture of the current chancellor of the Exchequer in Kiev playing chess where it's a massive outdoor pastime.
Yes, somewhere in the capital of Ukraine, she is having a game of chess. We know that she's good at chess. She's talked about it before. She was some kind of champion at some point in her teenage years. And this photograph was taken yesterday. What is going on, Henry?
So I think Rachel Reeves is in Ukraine trying to demonstrate the support that she has given, the government has given, while she's been in control of the public finances for the past two years to the Ukrainian war effort. It is an absolutely brilliant photo by the absolutely brilliant Stefan Rousseau, PA Media's main political photographer. But look, it is also... has a particular quality to it, doesn't it? Because we know that Rachel Reeves is headed out of the Treasury and there is a certain quality to everything she does at the moment of a kind of valedictory tone. We don't know what job she might end up in under Andy Burnham, if anything, but it is a choice to do this in her final few weeks and it's produced this great photo.
And she's there to commit UK money to Ukraine and we'll talk about the defence investment plan in Sunday's Newscast. Newscast.
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Hello, it's Paddy in the studio. It's Victoria in the studio. And it's Henry also in the studio. We like it when you come in, although we also like hearing Henry at home, just for those of us who like that sort of thing. Well, when the heat wave's over, I'll be back there. His hot flat has brought him in. But it's also hot week for the politics. Do you know seven days ago Keir Starmer hadn't resigned?
It just seems bizarre. It feels like about six months ago. Or is it just because it's kind of unremarkable now and we just get used to these things?
I think what's been so weird about this week, actually, is that Keir Starmer resigned on Monday. And when we were talking last week, Paddy, we sort of thought that was coming. But by Monday early afternoon, we basically knew what was going to happen next. We knew that Andy Burnham was almost certain to succeed him. And I think the speed at which the second part of the story was wrapped up has made it quite a strange week because it means that in news terms, we're way ahead. We're talking about who might be in his cabinet. We're talking about what he might do. And there is kind of an ordinary pattern to transitions now because we've had so many of them in the last few years. It takes a little while longer.
Party members might be consulted. That clearly isn't happening this time. And it has made it a strange week, hasn't it?
Despite all that, though, Keir Starmer is going to publish his defence investment plan this week. It was due in autumn last year. We're expecting it Tuesday. And that will be ahead of the NATO summit, which is early next month.
So we had thought this was going to be a stoogey between the outgoing Keir Starmer and the incoming Andy Burnham, because it's a billion pounds they found down the back of the sofa, it looks like. But the Sunday Times reports today, I think it is, that it looks like Andy Burnham signed it off after a briefing in Whitehall.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–18:59
2
What is the Defence Investment Plan and when will it be published?
18:59–20:27
3
Was Andy Burnham consulted on the defence plan and did he sign it off?
20:27–28:27
4
Why did John Healey resign and how did that affect defence funding?
28:27–32:21