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No Such Thing As A Fish

No Such Thing As Chekhov's Volcano

04 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: Who is Greg Foote and what is his expertise?

0.031 - 15.414 Greg Foot

Hi everyone, welcome to this week's episode of No Such Thing As A Fish, where we were joined by the absolutely brilliant science communicator Greg Futt. Now, I have known Greg for many, many years. He is really, I would say, one of the UK's premier fact-checkers.

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16.015 - 42.863 Greg Foot

If you listen to BBC Radio 4, you might know him from the show Sliced Bread, where he looks at different products and claims and sees whether the science backs them up or not. But he has a brand new podcast. It's very exciting. It's called The Baby Fact Check. And it is something that I really wish I had about three years ago when I had a very young baby because Greg is a new father himself.

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42.944 - 61.283 Greg Foot

Congratulations to him and his partner. And they have realized that there is so much information out there. So many claims from companies, from the internet, and Greg has decided to use his many, many skills to work out which of these claims are true and which of them are false. It's such a great idea, and he has done it absolutely brilliantly.

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61.604 - 81.793 Greg Foot

So if you want to listen to that, then go to thebabyfact.com. check wherever you get your podcasts and in fact at the baby fact check is the place to go on instagram to learn more and if you want to know more about greg in general then go to greg fut that's g-r-e-g-f-double-o-t dot com and everything will be on there on with the podcast

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81.773 - 99.158 Andrew Hunter-Murray

No, not on with the podcast. Hi, James. Hi, Andy. We have more news. One more exciting announcement. We are doing a little run of live shows. This summer, we're going to the Royal Institution. Venerable. Home of science. And now us, temporarily.

99.138 - 126.04 Andrew Hunter-Murray

uh we're going to be in the lecture theater it's amazing oh it's an amazing thing we did a show uh last year there and it was so much fun it's such a an amazing historic wonderful venue it's where the royal institution christmas lectures are and we are going to be there on the 21st 22nd 23rd and 25th of july they're all at 7 30 p.m uh the one on the 21st is going to be live streamed and available on catch up for two weeks so please come on down come and see us

126.02 - 162.561 Andrew Hunter-Murray

ruin the home of science and its reputation with our stupid jokes uh if you want to get tickets you can go to nosuchthingasafish.com slash r i summer okay come and see the show come and see us can i do on with the podcast now yeah yeah on with the podcast so Hello, and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, coming to you from the QI offices in Hoban.

162.882 - 177.913 Andrew Hunter-Murray

My name's Andrew Hunter-Murray, and I'm here with James Harkin, Anna Tijinsky, and Greg Foote. Hello. And once again, we've gathered around the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days. So, in no particular order, here we go. Starting with fact number one, that is Greg.

177.893 - 187.529 James Harkin

Tests have shown that a Volvo 240 used to be the best car with the right vibrations to calm down a crying baby. Wow.

Chapter 2: What is the Baby Fact Check podcast about?

187.849 - 192.697 James Harkin

I was told this by one of the UK's leading infant crying academics, by the way.

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192.717 - 192.858 Unknown

Wow.

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192.878 - 198.928 James Harkin

Leading infant crying academics. He goes to all the annual crying conferences, he was telling me.

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198.948 - 199.108 Unknown

LAUGHTER

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200.287 - 203.974 James Harkin

I was going to say whale of a time, but that feels too soon for us.

204.014 - 218.862 Greg Foot

You've come to the right place for jokes like that. That is amazing. I think remembering back where I was three or four years ago when my baby was very young. If I heard this, I'd be straight onto auto car and find myself a Volvo 240.

219.042 - 222.328 Anna Tijinski

Except you said used to. Have babies changed or have Volvos changed?

222.308 - 232.898 James Harkin

Well, I was picturing the Volvos, that big old boxy car, isn't it, from the late 70s, early 90s. I think cars have got quieter. I think they probably dampen the vibrations a little bit more as well. So, yeah.

233.258 - 234.499 Anna Tijinski

So James needs to go secondhand.

Chapter 3: How do vibrations affect a crying baby?

640.789 - 649.967 James Harkin

And then I spoke to the experts and the expert was like, nope. Oh, great. Thanks so much. It just doesn't work. Unless the parents have contextual information, it's not a thing.

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650.087 - 658.247 Greg Foot

I mean, I think that is the truth is that babies cry and you just basically try everything that's worked in the past. You try all those things until one of them works again.

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658.568 - 671.652 Anna Tijinski

And to save possible parents a lot of time, There is almost no reliable evidence on the best way to raise children at that age because the studies have not been done. So there are good studies that say don't neglect or abuse your children. They have a bad time.

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671.812 - 680.265 Anna Tijinski

But there aren't good studies that say if you hold and stroke your child for eight hours a day as opposed to 10 hours a day, they will grow up to be, you know, really independent.

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680.245 - 686.252 Andrew Hunter-Murray

Because it's just so hard to get any evidence with that level of detail. Exactly. With enough of a sample size.

686.512 - 687.654 Anna Tijinski

Exactly, and across enough time.

687.674 - 688.735 Andrew Hunter-Murray

Because there are a million variables.

688.815 - 691.798 James Harkin

Not particularly ethical either. Just leave that one crying.

692.119 - 704.473 Andrew Hunter-Murray

But look after that one and let's see what happens. How babies keep crying is insane. Because babies can cry for hours and hours, right? And if any one of us were to scream for several hours, we would be in pain.

Chapter 4: What interesting facts about white noise were shared?

1059.694 - 1070.606 Andrew Hunter-Murray

Well, funny you ask, James, because I've been having problems finding a designer willing to work on that. Yeah, I've had the advert out for ages and no one seems to think it's a good idea.

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1070.646 - 1079.337 Greg Foot

Well, the way that you need to go is Squarespace, because Squarespace is the place to go if you want to build a website. They have all sorts of amazing things.

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1079.517 - 1100.184 Andrew Hunter-Murray

There are search engine optimization tools, so that when people want to Google things that are named, not after the obvious seeming reason, but for someone with a strangely apposite name, anyone Googling that phrase will be served my website first. I'll be able to sell things on that. There's just so much that Squarespace offers and they make it simple and easy.

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1100.464 - 1118.61 Greg Foot

Absolutely. So if you would like to build your own website, then make sure you go to Squarespace and take advantage of this offer. If you go to squarespace.com slash fish, you will get a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, use the offer code fish to save 10% of your first purchase of a website or domain.

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1118.59 - 1125.106 Andrew Hunter-Murray

That's right. Did you know, James, the website was named after Sir Adrian Website, who created the first website in 1782?

1125.627 - 1130.76 Greg Foot

Someone, please help me. On with the podcast! On with the show!

1135.06 - 1146.173 Andrew Hunter-Murray

All right, time for fact number two, and that is my fact. My fact this week is, in 1654, a public competition was held between a team of 30 horses and a vacuum. Yeah.

1146.193 - 1146.934 Greg Foot

And the winner was?

1147.675 - 1148.396 Andrew Hunter-Murray

The vacuum.

Chapter 5: How do modern parenting methods relate to baby sleep?

1342.519 - 1344.942 Andrew Hunter-Murray

Look at that. Magdeburg hemispheres. You're welcome.

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1344.982 - 1352.791 Anna Tijinski

I guess we should say what causes them to stick is basically that the air pressure on the outside is pushing in so hard because there's nothing on the inside. There's nothing to push out. Right.

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1352.971 - 1354.232 Andrew Hunter-Murray

Exactly.

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1354.292 - 1356.655 James Harkin

You're essentially pushing against atmosphere, aren't you?

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1356.675 - 1362.161 Andrew Hunter-Murray

Yeah. It was controversial. Well, not controversial, but, you know, no one thought he was right about this until he demonstrated it.

1362.181 - 1375.398 Greg Foot

Well, they thought that vacuums couldn't exist for most of history. Yeah. One of the ancients said nature abhors a vacuum. And the idea was if one ever came in nature, somehow something would fill it. Yeah. Right.

1375.419 - 1376.18 Anna Tijinski

Makes sense.

1376.2 - 1402.02 Greg Foot

Yeah, it does make sense, but it's not true. As we have seen right now, we can make them. But yeah, this guy, this guy, how do you say his name, Andy? Otto von Gierke. Von Gierke. He did this in Magdeburg and Magdeburg had very, very recently been the victim of the worst atrocity in the 30 years war in where the population went down from 20,000 to 4,000 due to an enormous massacre.

1402.38 - 1407.608 Greg Foot

And this public competition was almost like, look, we're back, guys.

Chapter 6: What historical context surrounds the use of alcohol in baby care?

1459.002 - 1473.99 Andrew Hunter-Murray

If it's a small plush car made by Honda, maybe not. Cozy goop. There's a monument to him or to the spheres in Magdeburg now. It's beautiful. It's one of the sets of hemispheres and one horse at either end and they're straining away and it's not coming apart.

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1474.01 - 1488.697 Greg Foot

I know. This guy, von Gierke, he was like, I'm really surprised that his name doesn't come up more. It seems like he was absolutely massively important in loads and loads of physics, but just never got anything named after him. Yeah. It's a hard word to spell.

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1488.717 - 1490.08 Anna Tijinski

Is that a university?

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1490.06 - 1492.042 Greg Foot

There's a university named after him. Oh, that's cool.

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1492.062 - 1507.961 Andrew Hunter-Murray

But it's not like Pascal after whom the pressure is named after or... He did write this up in his book, which was only published in English in 1994. Bloody publishers. Great news, we've got a translation deal. What? You've been dead for 350 years.

1508.441 - 1512.827 Anna Tijinski

Guys, what do you think would happen if you got into a vacuum? Die.

1513.748 - 1515.73 Andrew Hunter-Murray

Yeah. Explode?

1515.71 - 1533.128 Anna Tijinski

Not necessarily. Well, not immediately. You would die very soon, but not as quickly as you might think. In the 1960s, when it was more okay to do this kind of thing, they put various animals in vacuums to see what happened. Because, you know, it was the age of space travel. They were thinking, what will happen to humans if they end up accidentally dying?

1533.108 - 1541.379 Anna Tijinski

And so in 1965 they put dogs in a vacuum and they found that dogs in a vacuum for 90 seconds always survived. Always.

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