Author, activist, and podcast host Virgie Tovar joins us for our first ever gossip story! Join us as we revel in a messy grad school cohort and go on a camping trip with a dog named Pancake. Check out Virgie’s podcast Rebel Eater’s Club and pre-order her new book, The Body Positive Journal. Episode transcript available here. Follow the show on Instagram @normalgossip, and if you have gossip, email us at [email protected] or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP. Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (@mckinneykelsey) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (@alexlaughs). Subscribe to Defector Media and get your first month for 99 cents at defector.com/normalgossip Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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