The Problem Is Certain Death with Allegra Frank
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Hello and welcome to Normal Gossip. I'm your host, Rachel Hampton, and in each episode of this podcast, we're going to bring you an anonymous morsel of gossip from the real world. Happy New Year, y'all.
Who is Allegra Frank and what is her background?
I hope your holidays were full of light and laughter, especially since 2026 is already off to an eventful start, to say the least. which I know means y'all desperately need some gossip in your lives, and today's story is actually one of my absolute favorites. Before we get into it, just a little bit of housekeeping today, a light little bit, mostly just a heads up that now that our break is over, we are officially over halfway through this season of Normal Gossip, which has got four more episodes in it, including this one. That makes today's episode the seventh of the season, which is fantastic. famously a lucky number and i feel especially lucky today because my guest is one of my dearest friends allegra frank allegra and i go way back we used to work at slate together and for a while she was an editor on my old show i see why am i where some of y'all might have heard us chop it up together currently allegra is a culture editor for the atlantic but she has written and edited for vox polygon the daily beast and the new york times allegra hello thank you so much for joining me
Hi, Rachel. I'm so excited. What a dream. We have not recorded together in a hot minute. I feel like I'm coming home. It's like a hot hour, girl.
It's been a hot hour.
Hot hour, hot year, hot month.
Hot month. So long. So long. I'm so excited, truly.
Same. Even though we haven't recorded in a while, we do talk, I would say, pretty regularly, which means that I know that you are a champion of gossip. Every time I see you, I feel like you tell me something that I think about for a month. So I'm so excited to know the answer to this question, which is what is your relationship to gossip? Have you always been this way? Unfortunately or fortunately, yes.
I mean, I think it's because like we're writers and we're journalists. So it's like I'm sussing out the facts. I'm figuring out the players. I'm packaging it.
to tell the world and yes i love a little mess but those are the best stories it's really just in service of the plot of my life you're right this is actually a professional development thing that we're doing right now yes this is how we got these jobs girl from our gossip days speaking of gossip a little birdie told me that you have some gossip for me and again i know you're a champion gossip smith so i'm ready
Okay, this one, in the interest of protecting all of my friendships, we're doing a throwback gossip. This is like where it all starts, Rachel. you're getting a little origin story gossip here so when i was in eighth grade do you remember zanga were you a zanga girl i was not okay so it was like sort of live journal-esque like you could do little personal blogs but you would follow people and you could comment um so it was a little social like that and i had a zanga and i would use it to blog about my day which was not
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