'Conclave' author Robert Harris is out with a fictional Roman Empire memoir
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Why are modern listeners obsessed with the Roman Empire?
Hey, it's MPR's book of the day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. There's a subsection of people absolutely obsessed with ancient Rome. Actually, it's a it's a bit of a hacky meme now that uh men think about the Roman Empire multiple times a day, uh, which are that novelist Robert Harris is in that camp. You might know him most recently from his book Conclave, that became a big hit movie a couple years ago. He's so into the Roman Empire that his new book is about an overlooked figure from that era, Agrippa, a famous general who shows up as a side character in a lot of narratives, but we don't know much about him. After the break, Harris talks to NPR Scott Simon about why that actually makes Agrippa the perfect subject for a historical fiction novel, and also why Americans love to see themselves reflected in the Roman Empire.
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What inspired Robert Harris to write a memoir for the overlooked general Agrippa?
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Robert Harris, who's the author of so many best sellers, including Conclave, has returned to Rome With the imagined memoir of Agrippa. Brilliant general and trusted ally of the first Roman Emperor Augustus. When we meet the aging soldier he has a festering wound on his leg and not much time left. And he pours out the story of his life, battles, blood, bravery, betrothals. And betrayals, vows, reversals, and And occasional honor. Robert Harris joins us now from the BBC in London. Talk about his novel. titled Simply Agrippa. Thanks so much for being with us. Thank you for having me on.
How does Agrippa’s unusual name and birth story shape his character in the novel?
What drew you to write
about this man? Well, I'd come across him in earlier novels. Pompeii, my novel about the eruption, it was Agrippa who built the aqueduct which features in that novel. And in the Cicero trilogy that I wrote, he comes in at the end as the somewhat menacing consigliari of um Octavius, the future Emperor Augustus. So he was on my radar and I just became more and more intrigued by him. He was immensely powerful and important. He was consul three times, effective co ruler of the Roman world. A brilliant general. He was a master builder, not just aqueducts, most famously I suppose the Pantheon in Rome, which still carries his name above the entrance. And yet we know almost nothing about him. He was absolutely a key figure in world history, but he left behind no letters, no speeches, very few reported remarks.
So in a sense, for an historical novelist, Agrippa is a perfect subject. Agrippa
is a name that he acquires at birth, and reminds him that he came to the world at great cost, doesn't it?
Yes, Agrippa is short for Agrippatum, a difficult birth, whose mother died giving birth to him. That seems to have been the origin of this unusual name, Agrippa, and he carried it like a mark really throughout his life.
Why was a plebeian boy like Agrippa sent to an elite school alongside Octavius?
And I think it must have helped condition him. In the novel, I suggest that he learned to have to defend himself with his fists from school fellows who might taunt him. He was certainly, if you see a bust or statue of Agrippa, he looks like a nice. nightclub bouncer or a heavyweight boxer, he has a brooding fighters expression. And I think a lot of his character is in that name. He
makes a boyhood friendship, uh which becomes grows into an alliance, doesn't he?
Yes. The mystery one of the great mysteries about Agrippa is that he was born into a plebeian common family, not much money, no status, and yet at the age of about thirteen or fourteen he was sent to a school on the Palatine Hill, which was for the sons of senators and the elite.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why are modern listeners obsessed with the Roman Empire?
0:02–1:14
2
What inspired Robert Harris to write a memoir for the overlooked general Agrippa?
1:14–2:18
3
How does Agrippa’s unusual name and birth story shape his character in the novel?
2:18–3:41
4
Why was a plebeian boy like Agrippa sent to an elite school alongside Octavius?
3:41–5:24
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How did Agrippa’s friendship with Octavius influence his rise to power?
5:24–6:58
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Could Agrippa have been Julius Caesar’s illegitimate son, and what evidence supports that theory?
6:58–8:17
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Why do the achievements of ancient Rome feel embedded in modern Western culture?
8:17–9:36
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What lessons does Harris draw from Rome’s fall about the fragility of democracy today?
9:36–10:39
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