Lots More on How TikTok Options Traders Got Quiet
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What is the overall market backdrop that triggered the recent volatility surge?
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Yeah. Well, it's not just a leather jacket. It's a black leather blazer with sort of braided edges. It's got a little bit of a wait, is this an insult or a compliment? I don't know. A little bit of a a little bit of a renfair feel to it. Okay, good. All right. I I
wasn't quite sure. This is like one of the that would be a very polarizing comment to some people. Not to me. I do not have Renfair vibes, but I look I respect it. These are Renfair times. These are Renfair times. So I get it.
I get it. They absolutely are. There's pictures of me on Twitter in s you know, nightingale armor with the sword. So I think this is fair game. I did a deadlift. I'm
both the most popular trader and most successful trader at Citadel.
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We are of course with Ben Eifert, QVR advisors. Ben, who's been getting steamrolled the most by this market? And I have some thoughts on this market, but I want to hear yours.
No, it's a it's a super fun market. I mean, really first you had the deep seek thing here. Yeah. Right. And that was really interesting because equity markets went down, but the fun was all under the surface, right? It was what what did we sell off? Eight or ten percent in index. It wasn't a huge deal, but there were like eight standard deviation moves in market neutral factor type relationships and crowded equity long short.
How does Benn Eifert explain why TikTok “vol‑fluencers” have gone silent?
And so you saw, you know, the type of people that had the really popular equity position. Positions, you la NVIDIA and you know, Tesla and all these kind of stocks just get really, really murdered. You heard of a lot of pain at the big multistrats. Again, you have to put that in context because they're pretty well risk managed. The losses weren't that large in in percent terms. But you had again just very, very, very large moves. And then I think the interesting thing about that was that led to a lot of de-risking in hedge funds. So you had pretty high gross and net leverage coming into Yeah. And then it came off quite a lot, you know, a lot of de-risking. And then when you know that when Liberation Day hit, I think positioning wasn't nearly as you know as offsides as it could have been otherwise.
And so you did see obviously big drawdowns in the equity market, big rallies back, a lot of volatility. But I think you know the losses that you saw among hedge funds probably weren't as bad as they would have been otherwise. Another interesting thing to note, and we, you know, we talked about the That's a lot. There really isn't That much of the kind of super crowded short volatility, short tail risk, tail risk selling kind of stuff out there that there was like in 2019, 2020 for the pandemic. So you didn't see that those kind of fireworks, right? There weren't like hedge funds getting liquidated and people getting carried out in body bags and big auctions of all their positions, making markets go crazy.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the overall market backdrop that triggered the recent volatility surge?
0:01–2:44
2
How does Benn Eifert explain why TikTok “vol‑fluencers” have gone silent?
2:44–6:52
3
Why did equity volatility (VIX) spike above 50 after “Liberation Day”?
6:52–11:19
4
What is the difference between implied volatility (VIX) and realized volatility right now?
11:19–15:42
5
Are cheap volatility trades still available for buyers in today’s market?
15:42–18:43
6
How can investors use VIX futures or ETFs to capture volatility without complex Greeks?
18:43–23:17
7
What are the emerging MicroStrategy‑related ETFs and why might they matter?
23:17–23:35
Speakers
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