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Office Ladies

Second Drink: Did I Stutter?

16 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

2.478 - 28.443 Jenna Fischer

Welcome back to our second drink of Did I Stutter? I wanted to kick us off, Jenna, because we got a lot of mail about this episode. Many people wrote in to say that the phrase, did I stutter, is offensive and should not be used. Some people said that while they could see a buffoon like Michael Scott using this phrase, they were surprised that Stanley used it. And it's the title of the episode.

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29.264 - 32.622 Jenna Fischer

Yeah. I mean— I think that's all valid.

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32.963 - 36.67 Angela Kinsey

Yeah, I do too. It's definitely an outdated phrase for sure.

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Chapter 2: What is the significance of the phrase 'Did I Stutter?' in the episode?

36.71 - 50.734 Angela Kinsey

And, you know, it makes me think of something else from my childhood that people also used to do if you couldn't hear them. Like if they said something and you said what? Okay. Right, because that's what happens in the episode.

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50.754 - 50.855 Jenna Fischer

Yeah.

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51.235 - 73.081 Angela Kinsey

And then Stanley's like, did I stutter? Right. Another thing that someone might do is sort of like mimic the vocal pattern of a deaf person, like to mock you for not being able to hear them or whatever. Right. Well, you know, my sister wears hearing aids. So did my grandfather and my aunt and uncle were deaf. And it always kind of, Like, I don't know. I didn't like it. Right.

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73.141 - 78.427 Jenna Fischer

It's like it's making this is making a joke of making light of this.

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78.847 - 93.081 Angela Kinsey

Yeah. I mean, it just I don't know. But that is something that we have phased out as well now. And I'm glad we have. Yeah. And also good that we have phased out this phrase because I don't I don't hear people say that anymore.

93.241 - 97.605 Jenna Fischer

I don't either. And I'm really glad everyone wrote in. Thank you, guys. Yeah. Thank you.

97.906 - 106.276 Angela Kinsey

Well, listen, Brent Forrester and Leslie David Baker gave us some great behind-the-scenes details about this episode, but Angela, I believe you found more?

106.296 - 127.119 Jenna Fischer

I did. So here's the thing. I went digging into the candy bag alts for this one, and when we first broke down the episode, we talked about Michael's talking head at the very end of the episode. You know, him and Stanley, they've kind of— come to some type of an agreement. And then Michael has this hilarious talking head where he does an impression of Rodney Dangerfield.

127.279 - 128.64 Jenna Fischer

He actually does a bunch of impressions.

Chapter 3: How does Stanley challenge Michael's authority?

128.7 - 132.944 Jenna Fischer

Yes. And I shared that it wasn't in the shooting draft. Right.

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133.084 - 142.473 Angela Kinsey

You found the shooting draft in your digital clutter and you wondered if there'd been candy bag alts for that. Yeah. But this was before we had access to all the candy bag alts.

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142.673 - 147.578 Jenna Fischer

Exactly. So, yes, there are a bunch of candy bag alts.

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147.598 - 149.8 Angela Kinsey

You were right. Your instincts were correct.

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149.78 - 176.783 Jenna Fischer

And I thought I'd read you one. Great. Okay. This one kind of made me sad. Oh, no. Okay. It's sad, Michael. It's sad, Michael. Michael says, I have a lot of friends. And I have a lot of employees. And they're the same people, mostly. So if I lose an employee, I am also losing a friend. And I don't want to lose two friends. Oh, sad Michael. But yes, there were lots of candy bag alts.

177.016 - 187.071 Jenna Fischer

Most of them are along the same vein of like him just trying to perform for the camera and thinking he's really hilarious. But I thought that one was like, aw.

188.113 - 214.94 Angela Kinsey

Well, we also got a fun catch from Taylor in Vancouver, British Columbia. Taylor said, I noticed something. It's not an old tech alert per se, but it is a quote out of date thing. I suppose. When Kevin asked Pam to say, quote, those will be due back on Wednesday because she is wearing glasses, I noticed that I haven't had an actual person say when my library books are due back in so long.

215.501 - 219.949 Angela Kinsey

It's a machine that does the book checkouts now, at least at my library.

219.929 - 226.138 Jenna Fischer

That's so true. Yes, I volunteered at the library, you know, at the elementary school when my kids were little.

Chapter 4: What are the comedic elements of Dwight buying Andy's car?

226.439 - 235.552 Jenna Fischer

This was a very coveted volunteer spot, by the way. There was only two parents that could volunteer, and I snagged one of the spots, and I coveted it.

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236.053 - 240.84 Angela Kinsey

Matt, I believe you are the library volunteer at your kid's school. Is this correct?

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240.82 - 243.547 Matt

Oh, yeah. I've been waiting years to become the library volunteer.

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243.567 - 245.693 Jenna Fischer

Oh, my gosh, Matt. It's such a big deal.

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245.753 - 248.721 Matt

Yeah, it's a good gig. So you have to pay your dues.

248.862 - 253.374 Jenna Fischer

You have to pay your dues. You have to kind of lobby for it. I didn't get it until fourth grade. I don't know about you.

253.414 - 260.61 Matt

Well, I'm with my youngest and she's in kindergarten, but that took a few years of like... you know, campaigning with the older kids. So yeah, no, I'm in now.

260.63 - 278.92 Jenna Fischer

You're in early. I went every Thursday and I was there for story time. And I also helped restock the books. And I would scan books in for kids when they came in to return something, you know? And it is, it's all, I had, it has a little barcode and you have like the little bing, you know, little zappy thing. What do you call it?

278.94 - 281.644 Angela Kinsey

But you wouldn't remind people when their books were due verbally?

Chapter 5: How does Pam's experience with glasses reflect her character development?

325.488 - 326.109 Matt

Please go sit down.

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326.609 - 328.391 Jenna Fischer

You have to say no to the little kids.

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328.411 - 331.054 Matt

Oh, I love it. That's my favorite part. To their little faces. That's my favorite part.

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331.473 - 333.457 Angela Kinsey

What is happening? Teaching them responsibility.

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333.757 - 340.731 Jenna Fischer

Oh, my gosh. I was such a softie. I'd be like, okay, you're not supposed to check anymore out, but I'm going to let you have this one, but your parents are going to get an email.

341.031 - 343.817 Matt

I say it very kindly, but I do, like, you know.

343.837 - 346.843 Jenna Fischer

Yeah. I mean, that's part of the job. It might be why you secured the job, Matt.

346.863 - 347.524 Matt

I think so.

347.504 - 355.574 Jenna Fischer

Yeah, you can be the heavy. I also, Matt, oddly enjoyed restocking books. Did you? Do you enjoy that? Did you have to?

Chapter 6: What insights do the writers share about the episode's mantra?

394.086 - 397.832 Angela Kinsey

And now we're doing the Ultimate Office Rewatch Podcast just for you.

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397.992 - 404.763 Jenna Fischer

Each week, we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind-the-scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.

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404.783 - 415.792 Angela Kinsey

We're The Office Ladies. Ooh, Angela, we have a good episode today. It is so good.

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415.832 - 425.959 Jenna Fischer

It's so simple, so wonderful, so much tension, conflict, a little bit of drama. It's all there and some laughs.

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425.939 - 438.986 Angela Kinsey

It is called Did I Stutter? It is season four, episode 16, written by Brent Forrester and Justin Spitzer and directed by Randall Einhorn. We've got a lot to cover.

439.226 - 441.13 Jenna Fischer

I say get into that summary, lady.

441.11 - 460.76 Angela Kinsey

Here it is. Stanley challenges Michael's authority during a conference room meeting, leaving Michael speechless. Later, Michael responds to Stanley's insubordination by attempting to scare him into an attitude adjustment with a fake firing. What is with Michael and the fake firings?

461.041 - 465.608 Jenna Fischer

I don't know. He thinks it's like a go-to. I mean, it did not go well with Pam.

465.868 - 479.769 Angela Kinsey

No, he should have abandoned this whole idea back then. Yeah. But he's still doing it. Meanwhile, Dwight decides to buy Andy's car at a discount only to immediately flip it for more money. Mm-hmm.

Chapter 7: What behind-the-scenes details were revealed about the filming process?

525.62 - 546.07 Angela Kinsey

Well, we traded messages with writer Brent Forrester about this episode, and he told us he remembered being very excited when Greg assigned them the script because it was the biggest Stanley story he had ever done at that point. It was really the first time that Stanley had ever been the sole antagonist in a Michael story.

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546.57 - 558.543 Jenna Fischer

I remember we were all so excited for Leslie. Just as actors, to be able to have that big moment with Michael and to go head-to-head with Steve, that was like, you hoped for that, right? Oh, yeah.

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558.683 - 583.403 Angela Kinsey

This was huge. Brent remembers Greg told him with great delight what the game of this episode was. It should be this. Michael is an overpowering boss to everyone in the office, but is totally unable to stand up to one person, Stanley. No one ever dares to challenge Michael this blatantly, so when Stanley snaps at him, Michael just has no playbook for dealing with it.

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583.383 - 600.64 Angela Kinsey

He said that Mindy referred to this as reversal of status comedy. And it was the first time Brent had ever heard that term. Mindy, you're so smart. I know, right? I remember doing Commedia dell'arte in theater school, Angela.

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601.101 - 608.954 Jenna Fischer

Oh, here we go. Did you ever do Commedia? Yeah. No, Jenna, I did my improv and my stand up and my sketch comedy. So just let's hear it.

609.535 - 629.202 Angela Kinsey

Well, it's really very interesting because Commedia dates back to long, long ago, and it is really all about status. And you're constantly switching status between these archetypal characters. And this has some real Commedia elements for all you theater nerds out there. This reversal of status comedy.

629.182 - 648.729 Jenna Fischer

No, it's fantastic. I mean, even in improv, we would make someone, when you walk on stage, choose status, high or low. And if you constantly played high status, because some people it's their go-to in comedy, our teacher would make you reverse it and play low status. It was always a really cool exercise. Okay, getting a little nerdy. Okay, we can move on.

648.769 - 657.02 Angela Kinsey

No, I love that we're nerding out on status comedy. Guys, watch comedy shows and look for status and reversal of status. That's your homework.

657.401 - 657.501

Yeah.

Chapter 8: How do Michael and Stanley's relationship evolve throughout the episode?

682.22 - 700.366 Angela Kinsey

Small, real, relatable. Brent said by normal TV standards, almost nothing happens in this episode. Stanley insults Michael. Michael doesn't know how to respond. He said on any other show, this would have been considered a totally insufficient plot for 30 minutes of TV.

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700.867 - 721.095 Angela Kinsey

But he said at this point in the series, they were so confident in the characters and their dynamics that they fully committed to this very subtle interpersonal story And they wrote this slogan in the writer's room, small, real, relatable. And he said that he believes that this is the signature of The Office at its best.

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721.836 - 734.333 Jenna Fischer

I agree. I always love those types of episodes. I mean, I know it comes before this one, but I felt like health care was in that vein, you know? Yes. But yeah, I love small, real, relatable. I love that kind of comedy.

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735.414 - 739.48 Angela Kinsey

All right. Fast fact number three, Angela, Pam's Glasses.

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739.46 - 740.081 Jenna Fischer

Oh, yeah.

740.682 - 755.361 Angela Kinsey

We got a lot of mail. Abby S. and Amy G. want to know, Jenna, is your eyesight as bad as Pam's? And then Kat F., Jessica M., and Rachel G. want to know, how many pairs of glasses were given as options for this episode?

756.082 - 761.689 Jenna Fischer

I remember when we were filming this, at that time, you didn't need glasses. You had great eyesight.

762.39 - 789.442 Angela Kinsey

Yes, that's right. I did not wear glasses. I do now, but I didn't then. Those are totally fake glasses. Phil Shea came on over with his tray of frames. Greg was there. And we went through and I had to put them on. And we just talked about which ones did we like. We did discuss, Angela, that these were frames that dated back to maybe like years for Pam.

789.462 - 791.645 Angela Kinsey

Like you said, are these her junior high glasses?

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