The Cyberattack We’re Not Ready For
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I wrote a book about the humans and what it takes to find these zero-day exploit capabilities. If you had asked me, hey, write a sequel and you can make it fiction, make it science fiction, what is the nightmare next chapter of this thing? I would have written a book that didn't look that different. from the era we are entering right now, where AI can essentially find these vulnerabilities and turn them on anyone they choose.
hi everyone from new york magazine and the vox media podcast network this is on with kara swisher and i'm kara swisher my guest today is nicole perlroth a leading expert on cyber security and cyber conflict nicole spent a decade covering cyber security digital espionage and sabotage as a reporter at the new york times for stepping out to become a founder and managing partner at silver buckshot ventures a cyber moonshot fund investing in cyber security companies She's also the author of one of my favorite books, This Is How They Tell Me the World Ends, about the global cyber arms race. It's a must read. The latest season of our award-winning investigative podcast, To Catch a Thief, exposes North Korea's infiltration of American companies via a pipeline of remote IT labor.
that's sending hundreds of millions of dollars back to the regime and its nuclear weapons program. The season finale is out this week. I just love Nicole. I think she talks in plain English about some very serious and complicated threats to the United States and most democracies around misinformation, around cybersecurity, around the efforts of this administration to undercut our cybersecurity and more. And she's just always a straight shooter, and I really appreciate it. Our expert question today comes from Dmitry Alperovitch, co-founder of CrowdStrike and the chairman of the Silverado Policy Accelerator, a Washington, D.C.-based geopolitical think tank. So stick around. And one more thing before we get started, if you're going to be in Washington, D.C.
today, July 16th, please join us live at the Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg Center for a taping of On. I'll be talking to Gina Raimondo, Commerce Secretary under President Biden and former Rhode Island Governor, about what AI means for the workforce. And as a special bonus, before that conversation, I'll be speaking with Johns Hopkins University President Ron Daniels and the University of Notre Dame President Father Robert Dowd to talk about how universities are approaching AI and workforce issues. You can get tickets and learn more at voxmedia.com slash Kara Swisher live. Support for this show comes from Odoo. Running a business takes everything you've got. And a lot of the tools out there that are supposed to make your life easier just aren't great at talking to each other.
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Nicole, thanks for coming on ON. Thanks so much for having me. It's so good to be back. When you were on the show just over a year ago, you said you were most concerned about, quote, everything, everywhere, all at once cyber scenario or multiple simultaneous cyber attacks on critical infrastructure. In a short period of time, we've experienced more geopolitical instability and rapid advances in AI. But so far, we've avoided this worst case scenario. Is that still your number one worry? Talk a little bit about what's changed in a year.
Everything's changed. You know, last year, I was saying we were worried about this quote, you know, everything everywhere all at once cyber scenario based on what we were actually seeing Chinese hackers pre position in, which to jog everyone's memory, and it's still happening is unbelievable. Water, power, pipeline infrastructure, high-speed rail, aviation, ports, logistics, that's all still happening.
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4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–17:01
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How is AI enabling a potential 'everything, everywhere, all at once' cyberattack scenario?
17:01–23:35
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What is Anthropic’s Mythos model and how can it be used to find software vulnerabilities?
23:35–37:27
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How did North Korea evolve from the Sony hack to large-scale crypto heists?
37:27–58:04
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