Russia Expert: Putin Destroyed Democracy And Trump's Doing It Too - Jamison Firestone
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Putin weaponized the justice system and used the justice system to attack his enemies. Putin went after the media. Putin went after the universities. Putin pulled Russia's most popular comedy show off the air because it was making fun of him. And Putin spun this myth that without me, the country would be in the garbage can. Now, all of that sounds very much like what Trump is doing right now. And what concerns me is this. Look, there's politics and then there's the system. So as an American, I believe very strongly in the system. Politics is secondary. Whether you want your guns or you're against your guns or you're up for gay rights or against gay rights or abortion, that's what we vote on. But when you start pulling apart the system, you lose everything.
You lose rule of law and you will lose democracy. And that was what was done in Russia. And that seems to be what Trump is doing in America. And it makes me very nervous. It makes me very frightened.
Welcome to Open Book. I am your host, Anthony Scaramucci. Joining us today is Jameson Firestone. The title of the new book is Rule of Lies. And Jameson is an attorney. He's an entrepreneur and founder of one of Russia's first independent foreign law firms. And so you probably know my good friend, Sir Bill Browder. I'm assuming you know him. Let's start with my wild ride. through chaos, corruption, and murder in Putin's Russia. You know, listen, what a life story that you've had, okay? Let's start with your dad. I want to go there first, if you don't mind. Tell us about your family of origin. You know, you grew up in New York with an extraordinary family, obviously. And then how did it lead you into the former Soviet Union?
Sure. So I was kind of a rich kid in New York. I mean, my mom had 11 rooms on Park Avenue. My dad had a six-floor brownstone. We kept a yacht with a crew past Montauk on the island. And all this came crashing to an end one day when I was 15 years old and the police showed up at the door to arrest my father and take him to his indictment. And it turned out that he was a con artist, that he had been defrauding investors in the IRS of tens of millions of dollars. And so while awaiting trial, my dad sent me to a five-day boarding school and started to go a little nuts. And he became a drug addict. He started doing coke, switched to crack. And he bought Manhattan's most expensive brothel. And he filled our house with prostitutes.
And then he started hanging around with loan sharks and contract killers. So every weekend, I was coming home to this mixture of risky business and pulp fiction. And it was really hanging around with the contract killers and their kids that turned out to be good prep for Russia. Because a lot of these people saw me as a kid who was going to go to college. And they had plans for me. They were telling me they were going to open a dry cleaning business. And a few of my boys, they're going to be working at your dry cleaning business. I mean, they're not really going to be working there, but you're going to be paying them, see? And I, of course, didn't want to do these things. I didn't want to be the front for a mafia operation.
And so I learned how to say no to contract killers. I learned to show them respect, to make them laugh, to make them think I was useless and hopeless, and to say no without being killed. And that was a really big skill for going to Russia in the 90s.
I mean, it's a fascinating story, but why Russia? So you're coming out of law school. You're an accomplice. I mean, you know, in many ways, you are a tale of survivorship because obviously, you know, listen, there's a motto in the Scaramucci family. Let's keep the word fun and the word dysfunctional. OK, so what I get that a lot of families are dysfunctional and I applaud you for surviving your family situation. But why Russia? Why go to Russia?
So first of all, strangely enough, my father had forced me to study Russian in high school. He thought that the Soviet Union would fall apart and I would go there and make money. And I thought it was ridiculous, but he was paying the bill.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–4:57
2
How did Jamison Firestone's childhood shape his risk tolerance and decision to go to Russia?
4:57–14:08
3
Why did Firestone choose to practice law in post-Soviet Russia in the early 1990s?
14:08–20:01
4
What happened during the 1991 coup and 1993 constitutional crisis that transformed Russia?
20:01–24:17
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How did privatization and the rise of the oligarchs create chaos and opportunity in 1990s Russia?
24:17–26:11
Speakers
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