Ferraro on Matthews returning to full strength, McKenna's outlook and Hellebuyck and Larkin's future

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How are NHL contract values changing and why are eight‑year deals now the norm?

Bryan Hayes 0:00
Here's Ray Ferraro joining us on the Maple Toyota Hotline. What a segue. How
Ray Ferraro 0:04
are we doing, Ray? 239th call in a row with the most random frickin' subject of all time.
Jamie McLennan 0:12
Yeah, always. Always. That old
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Jenny York
Jamie McLennan 0:16
got himself into some
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trouble, Ray. Yeah, there's a knee-deep bottle of... Stop. He's standing in right there. That just came off so wrong. Yes, it did. You're right. But it's all good. It's all good. We know where you're going with that. And hey, listen, it happens. It happens sometimes.
Bryan Hayes 0:40
The
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NFL's
Bryan Hayes 0:40
back, and it almost feels like the NHL's back as of today because all the contract signings and all the golf tournaments are going on. I'm curious, Ray, is your focus more on the new material? In other words, the new signings? Is it more on guys like Hellebuck and what he's going to do? Where does your head go first when you consider that it's almost day one of a new season in the NHL?
Ray Ferraro 1:09
For me, it's the way the landscape has changed since Carlson signed. Right. And, like, I guess I'm a little surprised that this eighth-year deadline has become such a thing. That it's so important to get these guys signed for eight years rather than seven. You know, these rush of deals that are coming in now. The money is always going to seem... exorbitant, right? Because we played at a time that it just wasn't that. And I'll tell you one thing, like I look at a guy like Billy Koivunen, who's got two goals and he just signed for $32 million in Pittsburgh. And I'm like, damn, I wish I were 22. When I was 21, I scored 40 goals. I was like, man, that would have been,
Bryan Hayes 1:58
I wouldn't be talking to you guys. No, you'd be making a lot of money, a lot of
Ray Ferraro 2:01
money. So that stuff I think is where I go first. You know, like it's just the landscape's changed, and teams are making these huge bets on kids, and some of them are going to work and some of them aren't, and history tells us that's just the way it's going to be.
Bryan Hayes 2:18
Yeah, and it's interesting because the numbers are so high. When you look at some other teams, we're talking about Ottawa and Montreal in particular, that got out in front of a lot of business. Montreal locked up Suzuki and Caulfield and Hudson. Hudson, this time last year, they locked him up to an eight-year deal at under $10 million, which is astonishing, the number, considering how good he is. And they locked up Slavkovski, et cetera. I could go on and on and on. Okay, but Brian, let me interrupt
Ray Ferraro 2:43
you. Was that... foresight I don't remember like was that foresight that the cap was going up or were they just fortunate in the timing that those guys were coming into restricted free agency
Bryan Hayes 2:54
yeah probably the latter probably they came up at the right time and they and they they knew enough that yeah it was a gamble but they felt good about the game like these are more extreme right it wasn't a gamble on Nick Suzuki he was a really
Alanna Ubach 3:04
good
Bryan Hayes 3:04
player Lane Hudson won rookie of the year that's not like that guy's an unbelievable player you're referencing guys who have played like 70 games in the league are getting 88-year deals at huge money. Like, that's a huge gamble. That's totally different.
Ray Ferraro 3:19
No, I think Ryan Leonard's a really good
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player.
Ray Ferraro 3:22
I really do. I've seen him quite a bit in Washington. Is he worth $10 million? I guess so, because that's what he got. But those are the deals that strike to me. Like, you know, Batherson's got high 20s goals already in his pocket. And Leonard's got 20, and he's just, like, Is he going to be a 30-goal guy? Is he going to be a 25-goal guy? I don't know. And those teams are banking on the high end of production. They have to, I guess, because they certainly don't want to get stuck with a guy that they've signed a year or two short, and then he comes up and just grand slams it out of the park. I mean, the thing in Anaheim this year is probably a cautionary tale for everybody. And because it's not just Carlson.
Ray Ferraro 4:13
Like, you know, they've got to go to $18 million with Carlson. That impacts Gauthier. That impacts Seneca. They had to pay Minchikoff way more than they were initially going to. So one, I don't know if it's a misstep or a gamble that didn't quite work for the Ducks and it worked more for Carlson, but that sets your whole future up in a different way.

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