The Best, Worst and Sexiest Trophies in Sports, with Legendary Art Critic Jerry Saltz
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What’s the premise of this episode and who is guest Jerry Saltz?
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
It looks like an uncircumcised penis held in his hand with the skin being pulled back. Right after this.
Sir. Oh, great to see you. Coming back. Hey.
Hey.
I'm no Sarah Jessica Raphael. What's her name? Parker.
That's right. In my universe, your own Sex and the City is an even better series. Back at you.
Congratulations on the Pulitzer Prize.
You know, just wanted to be able to hang out with you credibly.
Except I can't figure out how to monetize it at all.
I was hoping that that would be what we found out today. How do we make money off of this thing?
You might be able to, but I figured it'd just keep me in a job for 18 more months, and I used it up.
Well, we got two to three months already behind us, so the clock is ticking. It is. So, Jerry, thank you for being back. Great to be here. You're surrounded by cloaks and shadowed figures, and I want people who are not watching to have the joy of Pulitzer Prize winner for criticism, Jerry Saltz, New York Magazine's chief art critic, and one of the great New Yorkers that I've ever met. Thank you, fellow Pulitzer Prize winner. Just two guys hanging out, surrounded by things veiled from public view. And I would love for you to just describe, as we go through here, what we get to see together as we reveal them. And I will give you these white gloves. You don't have to wear them just yet, but I'll throw them at you because we will get to a point...
at which we have to engage the giant mystery box. I have no idea what we're going to see. You're also the subject of a new documentary called House of Criticism. Yes. Was just a Tribeca was so well reviewed, but I want to say that you are missing. Do you mind if I say that she is your better half?
Oh, God, yeah. No, she is by far Roberta Smith. Yes. Art critic, former art critic of the New York Times.
And we'll show a still frame here of you and Roberta Smith. Boom. Look at that.
As you're on your knees praying to her, it seems like. I'm praying to her and to one of the greatest paintings in all of modernism, Picasso's Five Whores of D'Avignon Street, or Demoiselles d'Avignon, painted in 1906 that changed everything. Everything.
I dare say that that Pablo cannot hold a candle to what's going on here in the studio with me.
I dare say you're insane.
Well, the last time you were here, you reviewed a Pablo, as it were. And for those who don't remember your last appearance, could you please describe this?
Oh, a butter sculpture of my host, Pablo. That's pretty f***ing good. It is. That's a good... What, didn't I like it?
You did like it. Butter on Pablo 2024 by the award-winning food sculptors Jim and Marie Palton of Pennsylvania. Yeah. I think you compared it to almost like a JFK-style bust.
Yeah, that's your look. It's kind of cool because it's too big. It's bigger than you are slightly. It's still good.
And it was good until, I would say, this happened. Could you describe what you're seeing?
I'm seeing a knife sliced through the front of Pablo's face and serve it up in chips and shards. Yeah. It was good. I would have rather it been a cake.
I briefly, I recall I being the butter me for my wife and child who are listening. I briefly did make out with some other art critics in Washington Square Park. they came by and planted one on us.
Wow.
Yeah.
Congratulations. I never get that.
And as a consequence, I got my face cut off. But there is one brief update we have for you in the athlete statue genre. That's what you came on to review last time. Yeah. Because as an evolution of what it is to depict the human form in tribute, we do have this. And so this is Argentina, Patagonia. This is in the desert there. Could you describe what you see here?
This is an enormous sculpture. How tall is it? 85 foot, 70 ton. 85 feet of Messi skidding after having just scored a goal with his right arm raised to the heavens, preaching like Zeus, goal! It's epically great.
Oh, $130,000 is what this cost. The Times say that this was a public-funded project.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What’s the premise of this episode and who is guest Jerry Saltz?
0:00–18:15
2
How does Jerry Saltz describe the Patagonian Messi monument and public-funded athlete sculptures?
18:15–35:06
3
Why do Saltz and Pablo compare the World Cup trophy to a phallic abstract sculpture?
35:06–50:16
4
What is the stolen Jules Rimet Cup story and how did it change the World Cup trophy?
50:16–51:59
Speakers
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