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“He’s Gonna Get Sued” - Billionaire DNC Mega Donor On Clinton, Epstein & Disney Revenge | PBD | 697
09 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
He is like the main name. Bill Clinton was never on the island. He told you this? Many times. He was never on the island. He's on the flight lot. Listen, he was on the planes. But never went to the island. Never. Epstein ain't worth $117 million. He ain't worth $17.
But if you've got a bunch of pictures with people pissing on you, nude and orgies, the real question is, would Epstein have ever really pulled the trigger?
Rob, you're not going to go any lower, are you?
No. Is that what I think it is? He's got an elevator button, it looks like. He's got an elevator button. I'll tell you that guy on the left, I want to be him. I mean, that guy needs a fucking holster.
Honey, John Morgan's talking about your dangling, and he was actually very complimentary.
No way, babe.
You're schlong. You're schlong. I want to know what's going on with Disney. Are you suing Disney, or are they suing you? Here's my goal with ads. Okay.
Every ad I do, I want it to be so great that the viewer rewinds the TV to watch it again. We watch this already a couple times today. Because when you first watch it, you're like, how the F did he get away with this? Well, he's going to be sued. So that's what I want. I call it Purple Cow. So when the Steamboat Willie IP ran out, that would be a Purple Cow moment. And guess what?
They're the same people that spoke with my brother Tim when I was 19 years old. I came back. I came back. I didn't forget. I'm like Trump.
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Chapter 2: What are the legal battles involving Disney?
And as you give him a billboard, he wants it. It doesn't matter what it's facing. He wants it. Even if it's in the middle of the ocean, he's going to find some fish and shark and dolphins that got into a fight that he thinks they can represent. Over 1,000 attorneys, over 3,000 employees, I believe. All over the place. Incredible at marketing and interesting on the political side.
Obama supporter, Biden, Hillary Clinton, but then Trump. So and then, you know, issues with Disney and lawsuits with Disney. Just you're all over the place. We want to learn more about you, but it's great to have you on the podcast today, John.
everywhere for everyone that's my motto everywhere for everyone one okay so i just met your son i think you got four kids if i've seen it i do as well and before we get into all these stories um you know for someone to go from where you were at to now being having this great success story that you have maybe walk us through how the whole thing happened how did you go from you know wanting to become a lawyer to a law firm to where you have today well it started
When I was a sophomore in college, I got a phone call from my dad. My brother Tim was a lifeguard at Disney World, been in an accident, was a quadriplegic, drove in, hit his head on a thing, and I got called. I went home, and that changed our lives forever. During that process of his injury and his problems, I got embroiled in the whole legal process. We were very poor people.
Our mother had already left. Our dad kind of had a drinking problem. I was the oldest, so I was kind of the quarterback of it all. So I got very engaged in his injury. How old were you at that time? Sophomore in college, 19.
So you're 19 years old. You're not thinking about being a lawyer.
I'm thinking about being a lawyer because I suck in science and math. So that was out. Doctor was out. CPA was out. Scientist was out. Astronaut was out. So I was thinking about being a lawyer, but I didn't know what personal injury was.
Who were you in high school? Winter Park High? Well, who were you in high school? Who I was in high school? Were you the athlete? Were you the debate guy?
I was the treasurer. I did magic at Walt Disney World in high school. I was that guy. Like Steve Martin. Got it. Yeah, I was a magician at Walt Disney World.
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Chapter 3: How did personal tragedy influence John Morgan's career?
Okay, so let's go to the next question, because I'm at a family founders event at Goldman Sachs three weeks ago, and I'm at a Solomon Partners event last night in Miami Beach, okay? Both of them, they have Dallas at Ross Perot Jr. there, and the owners of the NASCAR family, as well as Emmitt Smith and others, and they're talking about G2, G3, G4, and how do you pass the wealth on to the next?
And then last night they had the founder of 1-800-Flowers, the Perry Ellis family, and all these other guys that are in the room. Similar type of conversation on how you pass it on. The guy that was running Perry Ellis is the son of the founder of Perry Ellis. So it was kind of like you got four kids and you're a G1. You made the money and you made a lot of money.
So how are you setting up the estate planning and the living trust and the expectation that of which one of your kids comes into the business. If one does not, then how do you set it up with the grandkids? Then if they marry somebody else, like, oh, my God, I'm marrying a Morgan. So I'm going to get the money.
And how do you protect your sons from who they marry to make sure they're doing it for the right reasons? How do you process the entire legacy planning with your wealth?
All right. First, all my children are married. All my children have prenups. In my estate, it works like this. If you don't have a prenup, you don't take under the will. Bingo. So I become the bad guy. And every time I tell people this, I don't know how old your kids are, you will remember this, believe me. So you don't want your kid to have to be the bad guy. You're the bad guy.
So my kids could say, hey, my dad. My dad's my dad. Now, if you don't want to sign it, we're not getting shit. That's right. So that's the first thing. The prenups are fairly tough. One lawyer said this is the most egregious document possible.
i've ever read egregious egregious i'm sure you took it as a compliment i said by design by design yeah and so uh but listen all of my the daughter-in-laws the son-in-law i love these folks but i'm not going to have a situation where somebody can come in and you know My one son, Matt, said – because he was the first one.
He's like, well, Daddy, maybe I put a clause in there that if I cheat on my wife, that is a null and void. I go, no, no, no, no, no, because we don't need to have any litigation. He goes, I'm not going to cheat. I said, I know you're not. His mother's – Good question to ask, though. But he asked that question. I said, let's just get the document signed. Wow. So I did that years ago in 2008.
When everything crashed, I had everything appraised and I gave the big gift to them where you could give up to like 24, 25 million. So I did that. I built a company called Litify, which was a software company. And what I did with that, I took Litify and I just put it all, I put 20%, each one of my children, 20% for me. We sold it to Besmir at a $600 million valuation. We took 60%.
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Chapter 4: What insights does John Morgan share about billionaires and pain?
Because once it starts happening, the power – I started banks in the 80s. I was 27 years old. I sold those banks. I turned into Center State Bank. We sold it to South State. I've never sold a share. But when we're building, when I did those banks, the power of compounding interest is people don't understand it. That's why these credit card companies, you know, 1.5% a month. Okay, that's 18%.
That's right. That's a tsunami. So you've got to understand that. But I would say patience. A lot of people want to be rich fast. And you look around, and they're driving in a Lamborghini, and they've got a hot chick in the front seat, and they've got a big penthouse. And then all of a sudden, one day... It's all taped up. The Lamborghini was rented. The girl was rented. They had nothing.
It was all an illusion. And so I didn't want to kid myself. I've never had one of those great offices. I used to tell people, look, I work in B buildings. and I live in an A-plus home.
I don't need – I love that.
Yeah, I don't need – I mean, an office isn't – I mean, I could do it here. I could work here. In Maui, when I built my house in Maui and my guest house in Maui, I didn't even build an office. I just sat out back and watched the whales with the computer and my music going. What a tough life. You don't need – you don't need – all that TI and the big rent. No.
So I've always been working B buildings, living A-plus houses. I love that. But you've got to be patient.
Tell me the dream. What are two, three possessions you have of unique things that you collect, you own, that makes you feel like you're 13, 14 years old? I own certain baseball cards. When I'm holding them in my hand, I'm back to being 14 years old. What do you have where you say this – you know, letter, you know, from this card or this painting or this card? What do you have?
Well, one of my heroes in life is P.T. Barnum. And so one time I got an autograph, a famous autograph from P.T. Barnum. I like that. I got that hanging at the wall at the beach. That's cool. I wish I had baseball cards. My dad moved, and I had these bags of baseball cards that I probably could have retired on. He threw them away. Stop. I had Mickey Mantles.
Oh, my God.
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Chapter 5: What role did Jeffrey Epstein play in influencing powerful figures?
But, you know, look, what Epstein, he sold himself as an influencer, that he can connect you, and I know Clinton, and I know Trump, and I know the Prince, and I know Larry Sumner, and he did all this, and then he got some of them in his web. And I believe that Howard Lutnick, or whatever his damn name is, is correct. Jeffrey Epstein. This guy was like a teacher. Math teacher.
A math teacher in some bullshit school that he got fired in in New York City.
Chapter 6: How did John Morgan view the legal and financial implications of Epstein's actions?
I mean, this was no tax whiz. You think he was part of the Mossad? You think he was like a... The Mossad? Yeah. Intel?
No. I just think he was a lone wolf that just got out there.
You think he sold intel to CIA and to Mossad and others?
Well, I think anything's possible with that guy. But I don't even know how he made so much money. And how did he make the ask from Leslie Wexner? Because it wasn't just the house the guy gave him.
Did you ever do any kind of things with Leon Black?
No, but, you know, we won't hear from him much. I mean, his brother-in-law, Tony Resler, who has his own company, I met him at Grant Hill's – he's his brother-in-law. I met Tony at Grant Hill's NBA Hall of Fame induction. But, no, I mean, I've never done anything with Leon Black. Tony Ressler, the brother-in-law, and his son, Tony Ressler's son's very good friends with my son Dan, who you met.
Got it. Got it. The guy with the nice sports coat that he has. He doesn't wear the royal.
The zoot suit, I call it.
The zoot suit. Yeah, so when you hear the stories about him, when he says, He paid $170 million of consulting to Epstein. I've never heard of it. I mean, you've done tens of billions of dollars of engagements, right? Have you ever had a client pay you guys $170 million in legal fees?
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Chapter 7: What are the key criticisms of the Biden administration from John Morgan?
But no, look, 170, just think about that. 170, I mean, look, I had a, my mentor in life was a guy named Bill Demetrius, Lebanese guy. And he said something to me one time that, you know, people think, and he said to me, remember this, John, if money will solve a problem, solve the problem. So look, Epstein goes with this blackmail to whoever and says, Yes or no.
And then they say, if money will solve a problem, I got to solve this problem because I don't care what. Epstein ain't worth $170 million. He ain't worth $17. But if you got a bunch of pictures with people pissing on you, nude and orgies, and you got billions and billions, and think of what he could have lost when he was paying it. What if he had let it out at that point in time?
Now, the real question is, would Epstein have ever really pulled the trigger with his blackmail, if that's what it was?
Well, maybe Jelaine has it somewhere, and she's got a dead man's switch, and that's why she's safe.
Jelaine has everything. She has everything.
I wonder who has it or what lawyer has it. How do you do that? If she does have it, does she tell three lawyers? that pays each a certain amount of money to keep that if something ever happens to me, leak it. How do you do that if you have that kind of information?
Well, she's got two brothers that I guarantee. If she's going to tell anybody, she's going to tell them. But look, she's in Texas now. She's got better set up. I mean, look, if she was compelled and we shot her up with sodium pentothal, there'd be a lot of powerful people go down because she was there for everything. She was the madam. She was the madam. She was the recruiter.
She had a deep crush on this guy, and she did everything. She is the deep throat of the Epstein saga.
Probably both meanings. I mean, if you, like, yeah, the Watergate, you know what I'm saying? Possibly, because she seems talented. Yeah. You hear stuff. There's one of the documentaries you're watching about a girl that said, they went there to buy purses. They bought a bunch of stuff from her. And then... They invite her back up to one of the penthouse places that they had.
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Chapter 8: How does John Morgan describe the current state of young men and relationships?
Penis shape of a lemon?
I don't like it. I don't want it. What? Shape of a lemon? It was like small. Oh, that's what they're saying? Howard Stern said one time that his penis was so small it looked like an elevator button. But I don't know if that's a limit or not.
Who said the lemon? Because I saw it on New York Post. Who said he had the size of a lemon?
Everybody. The girls that were with him. The girls. He had the size of a lemon penis. Yeah, but small. Might have been a kumquat.
So maybe when he was born, his parents didn't know if he was a boy or a girl. It took like about a year or something to find out. It's like, baby, maybe this is a girl we just had here. Rob, you're not going to go any lower, are you? No. Is that what I think it is? No, it's the New York Post. I just don't know what the photo is. Okay, well, have them not show it and go a little bit lower.
Oh, I see what you're doing.
He's got an elevator button, it looks like. He's got an elevator button. I'll tell you that guy on the left, I want to be him. I mean, that guy needs a fucking holster. God. If I was him, I'd have stripped the damn underwear off for that photo.
John, Rob, see who's the guy on the left?
Let's give him some break. God, he's going to get a lot of calls on this. He's going to get a lot of calls.
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