Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
I got a bunch of things I'm going through this saying, wait a minute, is this guy a Republican or a Democrat? Member of the college Republicans at Valley Forge Military? When I ran for governor, I was not the Democrat's choice. Were you like underdog at the highest level? I was polling at 1% in my first poll.
When you look at the current Democratic Party and you watch the positions they're taking, your son comes in saying he wants to transition. What do you do? Do you see Trump as your enemy?
Chapter 2: What challenges did Wes Moore face as an underdog candidate?
If you come after my people, if you say something against the folks in Maryland, will I respond? Absolutely. That's my job. You can come to Maryland to learn, but don't come here to lecture. This is a call you guys have. Yeah, but it turned into a back and forth on Twitter. crime, you'll typically hear Baltimore being the top five.
Listen, I refuse to be a governor who's just giving thoughts and prayers and offering eulogies for eight years and not doing nothing about the violence. We're now seeing how Maryland's population is the fastest growing population we've had in Maryland in over a decade.
Your net migration isn't impressive. You're still ranked at the same place. 45th. I don't even know if it's a fair question to ask you. You're a governor. You run a state. Newsom runs a state. He's a governor. You've been able to fix the state. He hasn't been able to fix the state.
Chapter 3: How does Wes Moore view his relationship with Trump?
What do you think has happened in the state of California with the way Gavin Newsom's led versus the way you've led?
I can tell you about what we've done in Maryland and why it's working. You're going to play it safe?
You can't give me that answer. You're leading all of these guys. Governor Westmore in the house. We're doing this. We are doing this, man. I'm so happy to see you. Likewise. I want to say this because I said it off camera. I want to say it on camera. So anybody and everybody that brings up your name, who knows you, loves you.
Okay, whether it's Stephen A. Smith, we're out there, it's like, Pat, I'm telling you, watch Wes, watch Governor Moore, Ray Lewis, he's, Ray Lewis is like, I'm telling you, he's the guy, I'm telling you. So, I mean, of course, you know, when it comes down to, you know, on the political side, you know, the philosophies, ideology, we'll have those conversations as well. But for me,
Seeing guys that come up with one of the best stories out there. One fun fact that you may not know this. You know we're born three days apart. Get out of here. You're three days older than me. You're October 15, 78. I'm October 18. He looks so much younger than me. No, no, no. Stop it. Stop it.
And then when we look at the background, what you've done, bachelor's, John Hopkins University, first black governor in Maryland's history, paratrooper, White House fellow under Condoleezza Rice, captain and army 1998 to 2014, served in Afghanistan, 82nd Airborne. Cool. Southern Baptist, church going, received bronze medal, investment banker in New York.
I got a bunch of things I'm going through that's saying, wait a minute, is this guy a Republican or a Democrat? I found something from old school telling me, member of the college Republicans at Valley Forge Military, 1998 yearbook.
Well, you know what's funny, and I tell people this all the time, when I ran for governor, I was not the Democrat's choice. The Democrats, there were like 11 people running or whatever it was. And we had statewide elected officials. We had two Obama cabinet secretaries. We had the former head of the Democratic Party who was running for governor.
And me, the guy who'd never run for office in my life. Were you like underdog at the highest level? True. I was polling at 1% in my first poll. I'm not voting was polling higher than Wes Moore. And so I was like the underdog of the underdog when I first started running. But I was like, but I'm not running to be, you know, to lead the Democratic Party.
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Chapter 4: What incentives is Maryland providing to attract businesses?
Well, it's because we provided the right kind of incentives for them to choose to come to Maryland. And that is going to be worth about 6,000 jobs just in the creation and over 8,000 jobs once it's created. Right.
So we are making sure we're incentivizing our businesses to be able to come to the state of Maryland and providing the right kind of incentives and providing the right kind of climate and environment. But also we have to make sure we're investing in the things that makes businesses want to come to our state. You know what makes business want to come to our state?
That it's one of the most educated states inside the country. Top five. That's exactly right. And if you look at the state of Maryland, we have the fastest jumps in reading scores anywhere in the United States of America under the leadership of Dr. Carey, right? That we are making sure that we're providing a greater level of support when it comes to our anchor institutions.
We are the home of the NSA. We're the home of US Cyber Command. We're the home of the United States Naval Academy, of Johns Hopkins University, of NIST, of the only pure play public company in quantum, which is IonQ, where literally we are the capital of quantum. And so you have to also create the ecosystem that makes businesses want to come, that makes businesses want to grow and thrive.
And so that's the thing I think you have to be able to do, that yes, it's about tax policy and making it more attractive for businesses.
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Chapter 5: How is Maryland addressing its population growth challenges?
And by the way, We're now seeing how Maryland's population is the fastest-growing population we've had in Maryland in over a decade. And so you both have— Your net migration isn't impressive. Agreed.
Chapter 6: What strategies is Wes Moore using to diversify Maryland's economy?
But if you look at the population growth that we've had over the past decade, net migration has actually been a challenge in Maryland that we've had for a very long period of time. But we're now actually starting to see a population growth.
Yeah, so 2010 to 2013. a net loss of 300,000 residents, 2.3 million leaving and 2 million moving in. So that's net 300,000. Can you pull up by state, Rob? By state, I wonder where Maryland ranks. Because to me, 100 million is good, but I think you have a bigger opportunity. You know what will be a very... I agree with you, by the way. You know what will be a very creative story?
Your governor told what year? He told 2030.
So I'm up for re-election this November.
You're up for reelection this November. OK. And by the way, you could go through it again and then still run for president. That's something that you can do. Right. The answer is yes. The answer is yes. Yeah. But you know what would be crazy is, you know, when you think about a state like yours, if you made a radical decision to. Okay, what's this one here? 50 states from what year since 2010?
Florida's at the top. Texas, Carolina, Arizona, South Carolina, Tennessee. Red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red. You see the red states. Okay, they're net. They're gaining. Then you go to not moderate. Go to the bottom. Let's do, okay, bottom is what? Biggest losers. Go to biggest losers.
You got California, Gavin Newsom, New York, Hochul, Mamdani, Illinois, Pritzker, Jersey, Connecticut, Maryland. You're at 45, net migration. Now, 2010, I'd like to know what it is since you became governor, because 2010 is kind of unfair. Because you were not a governor. You were still in the military.
I was still in the military, exactly.
Right, no, no, that's what I'm saying. So it's unfair to judge it from that number. But I think some blue states, if a blue state became business friendly, so this is 2023 to 2025. Oh, wow, Florida jumps to six. Carolina's won Texas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Georgia. Okay, so it's still red. And then go to the bottom, all the way to the bottom.
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Chapter 7: What is Wes Moore's relationship with Kobe Bryant?
What could you do to increase net migration? Because data doesn't lie. Why are people leaving certain states and going to red states?
So, I mean, cost of living is still very much an issue for a lot of places. Now, you know, if you actually took a look and you started looking at things like education levels, if you started looking at things like, you know, the attractiveness for corporations to be able to select different places, I think you would actually see more of a flip.
You would see where a lot of those states are at the bottom of that actually have some of the best when it comes to health care, best when it comes to education.
To be fair, Rob, run the report on education. I don't want to be a one-sided. Let's run the report on education to see where they rank, where Maryland ranks. But to me, I think... Wes, it's a massive opportunity for business owners. Business owners just are sitting there saying, dude, you don't like me? I will leave. I'll go anywhere and create jobs. That's right.
So what can blue states do to get a positive net migration because it's not been happening?
So I think there's a few things. One is you've got to be focused on what is it that you are really good at. And I think that's actually been part of the problem. It's the same thing, and I think about it from a founder's perspective and from an entrepreneur's perspective, right? Where if I ask a founder, what is it that you do? No founder worth a salt is going to tell me, oh, I do everything.
Because then what it's telling me is you're not focused. What does your company do? And why are you best in class? And I think part of the problem is that for a lot of states, that's kind of been the answer. Where if you look at Maryland, Maryland has said that we have been focusing on the eds, the feds, and the meds. That's kind of been Maryland's economic base.
And it's been like that for a very long time. One of the things that I've been focusing on is saying, what are we doing to diversify our economy? Because we cannot simply rely on who's sitting in the Oval Office. Or if you look at the fact that, you know, in the past year, I've had over 31,000 people fired. Federal workers. You know, and so that's more than any state in this country.
There's been no state that's been under a greater level of assault than what we've seen from this federal administration than Maryland. So we've got to find a way to diversify our economy and quickly. And so I decided that I said, here are the things that we are going to target. We're going to target I.T., we're going to target life sciences, we're going to target aerospace and defense.
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