Sir Winston Churchill is almost unanimously regarded as a hero in Western society. In this country we voted him the Greatest Ever Briton; ahead of Shakespeare, Charles Darwin and Sir Isaac Newton. Churchill had significant flaws, including some caustic opinions and brutal decisions which were very much of their time. These flaws are widely-acknowledged. But not when it comes to the Second World War. Rallying the country to defeat the Nazis has always been considered, well, a good thing. Last week, history podcaster Darryl Cooper appeared on Tucker Carlson’s show in a now-viral interview which included the claim that Churchill - not Hitler - was “the chief villain of the Second World War.” As we’ll see, it didn’t stop there. Debate has raged ever since. Not just about Churchill but about whether free speech and free-thinking applies to something as binary as historical fact. Eminent historian and author of "Churchill: Walking with Destiny", Andrew Roberts joins Piers to dissect the case. Followed by a debate with 'Part of the Problem' podcast host, Dave Smith & Babylon Bee CEO Seth Dillon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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