Pints With Aquinas
5 Anti-Catholic Myths Debunked by a Medieval Historian | Dr. Thomas Madden | Last Call Ep. 11
23 Apr 2026
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Chapter 1: What myths about the Catholic Church are debunked in this episode?
The church taught that the earth was flat.
No, that's definitely a myth. The problem with Galileo was that he was also a bit of a jerk.
All the popes have been holy throughout the last 2,000 years. How was the Inquisition not a medieval reign of terror?
The medieval Inquisition actually saved lives. It saved people from being burned at the stake. Explain yourself.
All right, Dr. Thomas Madden, we hear many myths about the Catholic Church, and I've got five here that I'm going to throw at you, and I'm going to completely stump you, and you are going to have to abandon the holy Catholic faith. I'm set. Or you can just destroy them for the rest of us. Myth number one, the church taught that the earth was flat.
Yes. No, that's definitely a myth, yes. Actually, people knew that the world was round since the ancient Greeks. In fact, the ancient Greeks knew how big the world was. This was commonly known in the Middle Ages. If you look at any map of the world from the Middle Ages, they're all round. There's not a single one. They have Christ holding the globe, but it's always a globe.
The Venerable Bede wrote about this. You think about it, Catholics during the Middle Ages They had to be able to figure out Easter, which is hard. It's an astronomical to figure out when the Easter is going to be there. So they had to make various observations. They knew this. Thomas Aquinas wrote about this. In fact, he used it as an analogy that you could come to the truth by different means.
So for the globe, he says, you know, everyone knows it's a ball. But you can do this either by astronomy, by seeing the shadow of the Earth on the moon during the eclipse, or you could do it by the fact that gravity always goes straight down rather than off to a side, which it would if it was flat. So it's been commonly known that the myth comes...
In part, it's related to the Galileo myth, but it's basically this idea that Protestants developed much later that the church was directly opposed to reason and that the only way that they were able to keep power during the Middle Ages was by keeping people stupid and that when the Protestants came in, they accepted reason and the church fought against it.
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Chapter 2: How did the belief that the Church taught a flat earth originate?
If you sail, you'll sail off of it.
Wow.
And Columbus saying, no, the world is round. And Columbus never said anything of the sort because everyone knew that the world was round. No, Columbus said that the world was small. and that he could get to Asia because it was very small. He was wrong, but that's what he said.
I think it was De Caelo by Aristotle where he gives three arguments for why the Earth is spherical. One of them, I think, if memory serves, people can correct me in the comments, is you see a ship sailing off and it sinks into the distance.
Yeah, and one of the ways that was, yeah, and that's true. They would do that sometimes where they would put fires on the ship, on the masts, and then watch. But the real thing that every Greek sailor, if you've ever sailed in the Aegean at all, you'll see this. The coastline in Greece and the Aegean and the islands, they're very mountainous. So if you sail away from them,
The mountain doesn't go farther and further away. It sinks below the water. You can literally watch the mountain sink as you get further away from it. So it was plainly obvious.
All right, fine. But this next one, I'm going to get you. You ready? Speaking of Galileo, the church opposed science and progress. The Galileo affair proves this.
Yeah, poor Galileo. I mean, Galileo was a great scientist, there's no doubt about it. He definitely discovered important things. The problem with Galileo was that he was also a bit of a jerk. He was one of these kinds of people who became famous as a scientist, and then, and I'm sure we've never met anyone like this in our lifetime, but he started to think that he was science.
And that if you disagreed with him, you were just an imbecile. And so, and not everything that he thought was true was true. He became a very big proponent of Copernican model. And this is the heliocentric model of the universe, that the sun is in the center and that the earth revolves around the sun, which is true.
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Chapter 3: What was Galileo's actual relationship with the Church?
And when you came before this court, you lied to us. And then as soon as you left, you just went back and did the exact same thing, even though you know it's not true. Even still, the church's position is not that the church never burned anyone at the stake. It's not them burning people. What they're saying is, okay, look, the only thing standing between you and that pyre is us.
So if you're really going to tell us you're a heretic— then we're just going to get out of the way. There's nothing more we can do for you. And in fact, the term that the Inquisition would use was called relaxing to the secular arm. And so they would just, okay, we're what's preserving you. If you don't want our help, we get out of the way. You go over there. There's the judge waiting for you.
He's stoking the flames and ready to burn you at the stake. So yeah, that was the purpose of the Inquisition. Later on, when the Dominicans became part of the Inquisition, it became a little bit more organized. Then frequently, it was often seen as a kind of way of creating a kind of spiritual hygiene.
In fact, frequently people in towns, if the Dominicans arrived in their town, now we're talking about the medieval Inquisition, not the Spanish Inquisition. That's later and different. But the medieval Inquisition, if the Dominican Inquisitors came to town, they would go through a whole process. And it was kind of, it was conceived as hygienic.
It was a way of getting everyone together, praying together, telling everyone, if you know somebody who is confused about something or even real heretics, come and talk to us. And then they would investigate all of that.
And then once they had found out if anyone was a heretic and if they wanted to come back to the church and all the rest of it, then there'd be big celebrations in which they would celebrate the health of the community. The only time that we have any evidence of communities rising up against inquisitors is when they didn't do their job. When they came and they were just lazy.
Okay.
They came into town and they just went through the motions and never really did anything. And then they decided to leave. And then you had people rise up and say, wait a second, you guys didn't check anything. You didn't talk to anyone. There's all kinds of people here who are heretics. You need to look into this more. So it was, as I said, this was a medieval world.
It's a different kind of world. Every society has heresies. And the nature of those heresies are that people don't want them around.
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