Kara and Scott discuss Senator Joni Ernst's callous comments about Medicaid cuts, Texas's new law requiring app stores to verify ages, and Taylor Swift's blockbuster deal to get the rights to her masters. Then, Elon leaves The White House with a literal black eye, and denies a New York Times report about his ketamine use. Plus, Trump raises tariffs yet again, and lashes out at China. Watch this episode on the Pivot YouTube channel. Follow us on Instagram and Threads at @pivotpodcastofficial. Follow us on Bluesky at @pivotpod.bsky.social Follow us on TikTok at @pivotpodcast. Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at nymag.com/pivot. Help us plan for the future of Pivot by filling out a brief survey: voxmedia.com/survey. Thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What did Senator Joni Ernst say about Medicaid cuts?
Is this your health thing that you roped me into? Yeah.
What? Yeah, you're doing it with me. Yes, you are doing it with me. You have to. Our relationship is over if you're not in it, because I will cry. I will cry.
Yeah, I'm excited.
Yeah, we're going to do it. It's going to be fun. It's a thing that has to do with health that I'm doing for an organization I have a relationship with.
Does it rhyme with CNS?
Yes, it does.
Docker, it's not Fox.
It's as much as I can say, or else I'll get a call from one of the- Kara Swisher on the new American Mail from Fox Reports. Deal with your debt and don't call me when I'm trying to make some money for you. Anyway, I'm here and then it's going to be fun. I was going to have the kids be out here and Amanda, but- Claire is in public school, so she's there until the end of June, which is interesting.
So she must finish her.
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Chapter 2: What are the implications of Texas's app store law?
And what they would do is Fox News and CNN would all line up these bills next to each other, and say, okay, one expands the deficit or adds to the deficit $3.75 trillion. This one will reduce the deficit. It'll never pass. It has no hopes, but it would position the Democrats as the adults in the room.
This is Rahm Emanuel saying this, this forget about the for reals, talk about what you do, whether you're going to make it happen or not.
But instead, we're clutching our pearls and highlighting these very real, very ugly things that are happening rather than saying, okay, you guys have to be more than what's bad about what they're doing. You have to propose your own solution.
Agreed. I agree with you. I do think there's, but I think there's, what I'm saying is in her doing this, this is what she's got. The opening is to not just be the adult in the room, be the like good person in the room, right? Like the one who's going to help people. And I do think people get tired of the dunking. They do. They don't like doing it themselves. Most people don't. And
They don't like it being done to them. And so I do think there's an opening. The adult in the room is a good way to put it, but a kind adult in the room. And I think there's a huge opening for a Democrat to be like that.
Agreed.
Speaking of adults, Texas Governor Greg Abbott has signed a bill requiring app stores to verify users' ages to protect children online. The bill... which will go into effect at the start of next year, makes Texas the second state to patch such legislation following Utah. Apple has argued the strategy will threaten the privacy of all users. They have a good argument that way.
Meta argues the app stores are the best party for the job. They're trying to trade it back and forth. It's a really complex topic because it does come into privacy issues at the same time. You and I agree that there's got to be some way. I just don't know who should be policing Apple. this situation. Would we be in a better place if all states passed similar legislation?
Are we better off if the bill, you know, having hope in a bill like COSA or whatever? How do you feel about this? Because who is the one that should, I mean, cigarette manufacturers kind of have to have those warnings and the people who sell the cigarettes have to not sell it to kids, even though sometimes that happens. Same thing with liquor. What are your thoughts on this?
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Chapter 3: How did Taylor Swift regain ownership of her masters?
She can control her legacy. She can decide how it's used and how it's not used.
Yeah. She proves herself to be a very good business person. And at the time, it was the standard deal to give away almost all your rights. And so it is really interesting that a lot of artists are including Ryan Coogler and others, are getting their rights in some fashion, whatever. The deals are getting very interesting in that regard. And the reasons are very many.
In her case, it is to be able to monetize it in the way she wants to monetize it versus some hedge fund, for example. So smart move by Taylor Swift. She owns herself. She's a young woman. She'll be able to benefit from this for many, many decades to come, I suspect. And she wants her legacy to be what she wants it to be. So good for her. Good for her. Good for her. Good, not making one.
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