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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau. I'm Dan Pfeiffer. I'm Jon Lovett. Tommy Vitor. We are coming to you from the Obama Presidential Center in Chicago. I think this is the first ever podcast recorded from the Obama Presidential Center. I just made that up.
Yeah. But I think it's great.
I mean, it opened today, so. That's what I'm saying. It opened today. So I think that we. Yeah. Yeah. How are you? It's really good. Thank you.
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Chapter 2: What were the highlights of Barack and Michelle Obama's speeches?
And so I really think they achieved that. I love the museum. I mean, I went, I first came Tuesday with Emily and the kids, brought Charlie and Teddy, and they lasted a couple hours before Teddy had a meltdown when he tried to eat the fake apple in the fake Oval Office. Didn't go well. Couldn't eat it. Wanted a real apple. Yeah. Cried a lot.
We left. We've all been there.
But before that, I do think that the campaign, there's a whole level dedicated to the campaign. And it tells the whole story of the campaign from beginning to end. And the last panel, after you watch the video, is Grant Park. And the way they tell the Grant Park story is through newscasts from all over the world announcing that he won.
And it just like interviews people in like Africa and people in Europe and people in like Selma. and just talking about what it meant to them. And I was just watching that and I'm like, oh yeah, see, this is a great country. We complain about it a lot and there's a lot of bad things going on right now, but I'm like, this is a great country.
We'll talk about the speeches more, but I was just thinking about nostalgia walking through the museum. And there's a poll that came out the other day that said, which of the previous presidents do you think did the best job? And Obama is the leading president of people who have a positive view of him in hindsight.
And you walk around this museum, and it has this hopeful view of the country about, you know, the relationship between organizing community and democracy, civic responsibility, empathy, and, you know, the old fashioned civic virtues. And I did find myself thinking walking around, okay, this was and is persuasive to people. And
And I'm leaving thinking, OK, but let's be honest, this museum is opening at a time in which Trump is part of the speeches. It is part of this event that people are aware of what's happening in the country. And what are the ways in which this was not made durable? after, right?
What are the ways in which either this vision of the country wasn't as persuasive as we hoped it would be, or we did not uphold it and use it to make the best case possible to prevent Trump from winning not once but twice. And that that was also on my mind because I'm not a nostalgic person by nature.
And so I was sort of stuck on that and think I was trying to, like, challenge myself to think, OK, This obviously is a vision that that I respect and appreciate. What are the ways in which it wasn't able to fully bring more people along after Obama was gone? That was that was what was stuck in my head before coming here. I was thinking about it a lot.
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Chapter 3: How did the hosts feel about their first experience at the Obama Presidential Center?
There are times where you where people get into their fears in their whatever, their smallness. But. part of the work of getting out of it is not just stepping back and saying, we will come together and figure it out. It's like, what happened?
What were the ways in which this vision of America seemed to some people to be either false or hollow in some way, or not able to be replicated by the candidates that followed? Two things. One, back to Teddy. It's really cool.
And the thing people probably didn't know that you could walk into the Oval Office and there was a bowl of apples on the coffee table between the two couches and people would just take them and eat them. And actually, the actual bowl that was on Barack Obama's coffee table for eight years is now in this museum because our friend Farrell just had it at her house. Yeah. And now it's here.
That's, I think, a fun little anecdote people don't know. And two, on the speeches, I mean, I literally was just talking to Josh Shapiro, governor of Pennsylvania, no big deal.
Watch your feet, guys. Watch your feet, guys.
And as I'm talking to Josh Shapiro, Hannah comes up, she's like, can we go somewhere with some food? It's like this, come on, come on. Anyway, he and I were talking about like whether- That's Jewish energy to bring back.
He and I were talking about whether, you know, we watched the speech and felt like the reaction to the speech part of the conversation, like, do we think what he was saying is still real? Like, that there are, that people really do want decency and to bring people together and... a politics that just delivers for them.
Because it's so easy to see the social media part of politics and the owning each other and the viciousness from Trump and the moments I feel myself falling into being a shittier person online. It's like dunking on people on Twitter. And honestly, my reaction to Barack Obama's speech was it made me want to be a better person. And it made me want to be more like him and more like civically engaged.
And to pay more attention to the messages we're hearing out of people like Shapiro and James Tallarico that are asking us to kind of get back to that brand of politics. I 1000% believe that the winning 2028 candidate will be someone who offers a version of that message. to turn the page on this era of division of terribleness for something better.
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Chapter 4: What lessons can Democrats learn from the Obama administration in the Trump era?
We have good parts and bad parts in us. I mean, the other day I was I was like, you can you. we go do a tour show in Detroit and we say, is anyone here from Michigan? And someone raises their hand and it says they're safe. They're from Ohio. The whole crowd like booze them like fucking crazy.
There's an ice agent in every heart.
And, but, but, but, but, but so like there's this, what I liked about that part of them, Michelle's speech specifically is, uh, Choosing Trump takes your agency, and we do not have to ignore people's culpability, the harm of that choice, the fact that they could have made a different one. We should hold people responsible and treat them like adults.
I think one thing that Barack Obama does as a politician is he tries to treat people like adults and a politics that treats people like adults. The other thing he does that I think we as a party are sometimes missing is he is unabashedly patriotic. Yes. And talks about his love for the country. And that doesn't mean he hides the imperfections of the country. He is a living embodiment of
the worst stains in our history, but he is patriotic and he talks about the love of the country. And I think people want that and they want to be a part of a movement that is patriotic.
And I was reminded of this when we went to the, I went to the USA Paraguay soccer game the other day and like just being with thousands of people chanting USA, USA, and like loving their country and cheering for the players. And like the fact that a bunch of them are immigrants, right? And one was like literally like his mother, like the Ben Shapiro's out there calling him an anchor baby, right?
And this guy scored two goals. Like it just, getting back to that brand of politics is so important. I talked to Jerusalem Dempsis about this for Offline this week. And she was saying there's this, I haven't seen it, but there's this whole discourse online around the World Cup where all of these people are coming to America and then they're like posting images
america's really great and people are so nice because of everything that they hear about trump they thought coming here would be this like dark dystopian and they're like this is a wonderful country and i thought about that walking through the center too and i was like this is and i this has been my feeling the last two days here i'm like this is a great country Like, it is a great country.
And just because Trump is president and we don't like what's happening doesn't mean that we should say, oh, this country sucks now. It doesn't. Don't let them take this from you. Yeah. It's the. Yeah. I think like holding just the like, this is not who we are.
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