Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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On today's show, we'll talk about how the White House may actually be willing to negotiate with Democrats on reforms to rain and ice as a way to avoid a shutdown. We'll also talk about the FBI's extremely concerning raid on the election's headquarters in Fulton County, Georgia, and Trump's latest posting spree about the 2020 election. That's right. That was not a... I didn't misspeak.
The 2020 election. He's still posting about it. We also got the new Melania documentary that Dan has to get to right after we finish recording. So I'll try not to be too long. And then MS Now's Joe Scarborough stops by to catch up about the news. And finally, we got a special preview for you of our new biweekly subscribers only episode of Pod Save America called Pod Save America Only Friends.
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Chapter 2: What are the implications of Tom Homan's statements in Minneapolis?
The overwhelming majority of what's happening out there is classic nonviolent civil disobedience. Yes. It's entirely within the law. Entirely within the law, entirely within the Constitution, and it is historically the only way to combat this sort of state overreach. Yes.
So almost a week later, no one from the administration has apologized or offered any kind of explanation for why they smeared Alex Preddy as a domestic terrorist and an assassin who intended to massacre federal agents. In fact, they are now doubling down after a new video surfaced of Preddy being tackled by agents 11 days before he was killed. CNN had a story about this earlier.
a couple of days earlier, but then we actually got some video and the Minneapolis Star Tribune confirmed that it was pretty in the video with his family. And they also spoke to a witness who was there and saw the incident and had filmed another angle as well. Basically, ICE agents had descended on a Spanish immersion daycare
which led a bunch of people in Minneapolis to show up and start yelling at the ICE agents and throwing snowballs at them. Then, you see in the video, Alex is near one of the ICE SUVs and spits on the car, flips them off, and then kicks the taillight as the car is pulling away. The vehicle then stops, four agents get out, tackle Preddy, shoot tear gas and pepper balls at the crowd.
Pretty wrestles away from the agents. They let him go drive away. And then pretty turns to the crowd and says, are we all OK? Are we all safe? CNN had also reported that a source said pretty suffered a broken rib from that encounter. But, of course, Maga World from the president and the vice president who were retried.
tweeting or reposting different accusations about this to all of their media sycophants. They're using this video to support their argument that Preti was a violent agitator who was, you know, solely responsible for agents riddling his body with bullets 11 days later. Just give you one example.
Megyn Kelly tweeted that the new video was proof that he, Alex Pretty, was victimizing and terrorizing and stalking them, as in Border Patrol. And then she tweeted, quote, find another poster boy, illegal loving leftists. Dan? The argument being made here is so morally bankrupt and intellectually vapid that it's almost impossible to talk about. I know.
The video does not show him terrorizing and targeting ICE officers. But even if he did, even if he broke that taillight, even if he spit on a car, an officer, that is not grounds to shoot someone in the street. To murder them. To 11 days later. Right. There's no evidence they knew who this person was. He was the same person who might have kicked a taillight 11 days earlier.
But even if he did that right then and there, even if he walked up to the car those guys were standing in front of and broke their taillight, they don't get to kill him. That's not how it works. They are not judge, jury, and executioner. And anyone making this argument It's just so fucked in the head that it's even hard to... The fact that we're parsing the video. It was 11 days earlier.
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Chapter 3: What are the reactions to the shooting of Alex Preddy?
God, like I don't understand. I don't understand how you can't like just sit this one out. This one incident just be like, you know what? This was bad. This was bad. I'm going to have all my same beliefs. I'm going to have all my same political views. But this is this is pretty bad.
Like, no, they just they have to fucking go in on every single thing, even something like this, because I guess they have to win. Yeah, I mean, this is how you show your loyalty to Trump, is you take an incredibly insane, disgusting position, you double, triple, quadruple down on it to prove to him that you will debase yourself for him.
And then there is the incentive structure of right-wing media, which is to have the most out there, outrageous, edgy take possible, right? It's how these people end up. pussyfooting around with Nick Fuentes because that's where the juice is, right? So it's like, what's the obviously right thing to do?
And if you ask any of these people who possibly pretended to once have conservative values, like what would your reaction be to... Federal government agents shooting an armed man in the street for expressing his First and Second Amendment rights. Like, I mean, that's an NRA ad for 25 years. It's also like, what would your reaction be?
If you saw someone in your neighborhood who maybe you don't know well, but you've seen walk around and maybe they're a Democrat. Maybe they didn't vote for Donald Trump and you see a federal agent shoot them down in the street. Like, what would you feel that? Right. Like, you know, the Charlie Kirk assassination has been brought up a bunch over the last couple of weeks from, you know.
idiot right-wingers in MAGA be like, oh, the Democrats never condemned Charlie Kirk or felt bad. It's like, no, we all... I mean, you know, we took some shit for this. Like, I watched the Charlie Kirk thing and felt genuinely bad and horrified because it's a human being with a family and he was murdered.
And that's how I feel about people on the left being murdered and the right and the center and people with no politics and kids and... Like, I just... You either have...
universal principles and empathy for other human beings or you don't and like you don't draw the line at only having that for people who are on your side and i thought that's like the most fucking basic thing the basic set of values but like i i don't know i i wish people would find it i wish i because i don't want to just like i i hope they find those values i i hope they do
I know your anger, and it's very apparent to me where your anger is focused, and I share it. But this is the result of a decade of cultural rot of Donald Trump at the top of our politics. Yeah. Yeah. And ā you know, social, not to like blame social media, but like it's, you know, it is, it is not seeing people as humans.
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Chapter 4: What insights does Joe Scarborough share about Trump's presidency?
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Joe Scarborough, welcome. Hey, it's great to be here.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Trump's actions on Congress and the Supreme Court?
Good to have you here in studio. Yeah, this is fantastic. You escaped the East Coast for a little West Coast?
I escaped the East Coast, going to do a couple of shows out here, and it's kind of perfect timing. It's cold from Florida up to New York, so it's good.
So we're a year into Trump's second term. What is your level of alarm in relation to what you expected?
I mean, you know, one of the reasons we kept saying that he was using fascist rhetoric was because he was using fascist rhetoric. So I still don't really understand these comedian turned like left wing comedians turned like brocasters that are just shocked.
From a guy that said he was going to shoot Liz Cheney, wanted to see Liz Cheney shot nine times in the face with a firing squad that said that there were not only going to be mass deportations, but they were going to be bloody. This is not surprising to anybody. I think my surprise has been more just how completely missing Congress and the Supreme Court's been.
Now, Congress, I sort of expected that because they were scared during the first term. I will say I'm a bit more surprised with the Roberts Court. What do you think that's about? You know, I follow it pretty closely. And I will say I have ā I was really proud of what they did during the 2000 challenge, you know, 63-0. It's pretty good for ā For the federal courts.
But I don't really understand because, you know, a lot of Trump appointees, a lot of George W. Bush appointees, the guy in Minnesota who is a rock star. Yeah. Like there it seems to me a lot of these federal judges are some of the only conservatives from. my time when I was in the Republican party that haven't lost their bearings. Yeah. So I, but I don't understand about the Roberts court.
I don't understand why it's taken him so long to make a ruling on tariffs. That's, that is really black and white. Yes. The president is using like his emergency powers improperly and illegally. Also first year law students could tell you if you send Marines to Los Angeles and
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Chapter 6: How have the political dynamics shifted for Republicans since Trump's presidency?
That is against the law. That is unconstitutional if you have the guy that's sending them out saying, I'm sending them out to do policing, to do domestic. That is so clear cut. So why it took until the last day of 2025 for the Supreme Court to even issue a temporary ruling on that, I don't understand.
And I'm going to say one other thing too, and I do obsess over this because it's so anti-American. It's so un-American. When Brett Kavanaugh writes in September of 2025 that agents can stop people based on their race, based on their accent, based on where they were ā That's extraordinarily unconstitutional. I think that's Dred Scott level like disappointing. I will say it took three months.
He finally cleaned that up at the end of the year. But I don't understand how did how did that happen? So I guess I'm not shocked by what Donald Trump has done. I'm shocked by what.
congress has done what the court has not done what tech bros have done what what the corporations have done what media large media companies have done i mean that's been the shocking part to me do you uh are you do you still talk to folks in the white house yeah
What's the mood there right now?
Not good right now. They understand. They completely understand after the second execution, if I can say that. It's like the Gary Larson, and I'm making no light of this, but it's like Gary Larson. He had a witch that was like, I better not get into this. I'll stop right there. I'll tell you the Gary Larson thing later.
But yeah, by the second execution, they figured out this was not a good political move. They don't and they don't. I say it's not a good political move because it took that for Republicans, some Republicans to finally say enough. A guy was executed in the streets of America.
Yeah.
It's absolutely savage. It's shocking.
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Chapter 7: What strategies do Democrats need to adopt for future elections?
And also, it's like a guy who grew up a, quote, small government conservative. Where are these so-called conservative libertarians in the Republican Party? We literally have masked troops going through our cities and shooting people because of the First Amendment. I mean, because they're exercising the First Amendment rights.
What I can't tell is clearly there's people in that White House who can read polls, can watch the coverage, hear from Republicans once in a while.
This is what disturbs me. Keep going. This is what disturbs me.
They should know better. They do know better. They do know better. And then they're realizing this is a political problem for them.
Right.
But, you know, arguably the most powerful official in the White House, Stephen Miller. Right. Like this is his brainchild. This is his life's work. I think he is very smart. He has figured out the four years that they weren't in the White House. He took to figure out like, you know, how he could advance his agenda next time. And he can also read polls.
I think the difference is he doesn't really give a shit that it's unpopular. And he just wants to push it through. And so my fear is that this is, you know, they're backtracking. They want to do some window dressing. They want to fix the PR problem.
But then when attention moves on to the next outrage and the next thing, Miller is still, you know, just he's going to find quieter ways that are just as damaging to carry out this agenda.
I think that's a very reasonable thing to assume is going to happen. I will say this past week, there has been, I think, more of an understanding inside the White House that going back to what they thought they were going to be able to do is not a viable option. And I think at this point, Donald Trump's focus now has to be on the polls.
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