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Pool Me Twice, Shame On You

23 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the latest developments regarding the Reflecting Pool repairs?

0.031 - 15.188 Jon Lovett

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Juuu, täällä on valittavana 1268 ravintolaannosta, 540 hotellihuonetta, 6 elokuvasalia, 20 keilarataa, 8 saunaa, ainakin 12 allasta ja 26 pakohuonetta. Lomareissu, täältähän se vasta alkaa. Että mitenkäs nyt suupannaan?

101.737 - 106.785 Monica Ricks

Suurenmoista, suurenmoiseen elämään.

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Juuu, se oli siis aivan suurenmoisen uskomatonta.

Chapter 2: How is Trump's administration handling the negotiations with Iran?

646.225 - 655.19 Jon Lovett

Did anyone happen to catch J.D. Vance's interview with Ross Douthat? Pieces. Yeah, when they talked about this. And it was interesting because a lot of the things J.D.

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655.21 - 659.282 Jon Favreau

Vance said, as people who don't want the war to go on like us, I was like, oh, that's good.

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659.462 - 679.744 Jon Lovett

That's a good case. But where he really stumbled or I think just lied was talking about the JCPOA. Like at one point he's like the difference, the real difference between this deal and the Obama deal is the Obama deal just let them have all this enriched uranium that now this deal we're going to get to take away.

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679.864 - 681.966 Jon Favreau

That's the opposite. That's what I thought.

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682.226 - 684.989 Jon Lovett

I was going to text you about it, but I feel like I'll ask you here on the pod.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of Bill Pulte's appointment as acting DNI?

685.249 - 702.589 Jon Lovett

I was like, didn't they enrich all the uranium after he pulled out of the deal? Yeah. Under the JCPOA, they shipped out 97% of their stockpile. They went to Russia where they disposed of it. Under this deal, they're talking about down blending it in sight and keeping it in the country. It's the opposite of what he's saying. Ridiculous. Ross did not press him on that.

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703.69 - 713.442 Jon Lovett

So we've talked a lot lately about how Republicans are coping with this. They continue to be all over the map from kissing Trump's ass to threatening new wars to open revolt. Let's take a listen.

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713.422 - 723.691 Donald Trump

If we have inspectors going in there and if that Strait is open for business and oil is flowing, then I think it's very clear the United States will have won this conflict.

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723.992 - 737.144 Lindsey Graham

If this deal fails, President Trump is gonna take the Strait of Hormuz over by force. The United States will control the Strait of Hormuz, will charge a fee for all those who go through to pay for the operation.

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Chapter 4: What insights do Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan provide about Trump's presidency?

737.164 - 743.209 Lindsey Graham

And if Iran can test control of the Strait of Hormuz by the United States, will obliterate them.

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743.189 - 760.523 Tucker Carlson

i i would not support the republican party there's no chance i would support the republican party how could i or any american voter support a political party that's not loyal to the united states that puts the interests of a foreign country above those of its own citizens like so no i'm out and if i'm out then i think a lot of other people are out

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760.503 - 777.243 Jon Favreau

Okay, so Tucker is out. Lindsey Graham's threatening to take over the Strait of Hormuz completely. And Jim Comer, the head of the Oversight Committee, he thinks that if the Strait is open and we get inspectors in there, we have won the conflict.

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778.104 - 792.821 Jon Lovett

What do you guys think? Are the fractures here getting worse or getting better? Yeah, the Strait is open. That's a victory, even though it was not something we had to worry about until they started the war. Inspectors back in, as you had under the old agreement that they tore up.

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792.841 - 802.394 Jon Lovett

The thing that I saw that I think is the most alarming is the cope by the Iran hawks, who are also apparatchiks trying to get behind Iran. what Trump is doing.

802.454 - 825.241 Jon Lovett

And you saw Hugh Hewitt and Mark Levin doing this kind of like 4D chess, basically saying the political calculus is that in order to prevent Republican losses and deal with the fact that the country has not been persuaded to be in favor of this war, you have to get into negotiations and punt because then after the election... then you can get back to bombing.

825.261 - 843.885 Jon Lovett

Well, you know, Hugh Hewitt called it clarity. And then also said, I assume if Marco Rubio is seeing what's happening here, that he would not go along with a deal that doesn't treat the Iranian regime like the threat that it is, and he would resign. Yeah, usually he's pretty vocal in matters of conscience like this.

843.865 - 865.97 Jon Lovett

But but I do think it points to what some of these hawks are hoping, which is that they can prevent the worst political blowback from the war, get costs down and then go back to being bellicose regime changers once the midterms are behind us. Yeah. Like ultimately, like guys like Lindsey Graham is always going to he's going to get in line because that's what he does.

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And, you know, he's talked in articles before about all he cares about is relevance and you want to be up Trump's ass and get to play golf with him. And

Chapter 5: How do Trump’s actions reflect on his second term compared to the first?

1560.719 - 1565.063 Lindsey Graham

You think that's proof? The reporters have been down there today looking for that slit that you mentioned, and there's no evidence on it.

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1565.103 - 1567.065 Donald Trump

Well, all you have to do is see the Parks Department.

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1567.085 - 1567.765 Tucker Carlson

They'll show it to you.

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I'm curious about this situation. We stood here with you in April when you first revealed the plans. I said what? In April, you showed us pictures of what you were going to do at the pool, and you said you had a guy who was going to do it in a week for about a million dollars. It's been two months for $16.5 million.

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1583.759 - 1586.902 Donald Trump

Okay, ready? Barack Hussein Obama, have you ever heard of him?

1586.922 - 1587.362 Lindsey Graham

Yeah.

1587.382 - 1597.273 Donald Trump

He spent two years... and over $100 million. I spent two months, maybe less, and I have a better product.

1597.293 - 1604.65 Tucker Carlson

Now, I can't help it if somebody goes in with a knife and starts hacking it up. And we also have pictures of it.

1604.67 - 1606.012 Lindsey Graham

Can you release the photos?

Chapter 6: What controversies surround Trump's new Qatari jet?

2227.552 - 2242.435 Jon Lovett

We can't do that. They're not doing that. They're not doing that. That, that, that, that, that. The it is like, you know, it's interesting the difference between term one and term two with Trump. Right. Because term one, like he felt like he got all the he gets all the prestige and benefits of being president. He loves having that plane.

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2242.495 - 2260.341 Jon Lovett

He would do speeches in front of the plane, loves doing that. And it was always such a bummer to have Trump, you know, garner the prestige of of the White House. Right. Like he had that power behind him, which he which he did. And that included Air Force One. It was like, oh, so sad to see Donald Trump representing our country on that plane.

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2260.722 - 2273.32 Jon Lovett

And now we're going to have this new version of the plane that looks different. And it's actually his plane that he's taking with him. And so now whenever he gets off the plane, we're going to have this little symbol of corruption behind him in every shot. And he's going to still use it like he did the old one.

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2273.36 - 2282.293 Jon Lovett

But there behind him is the proof that he is the most corrupt leader on Earth, maybe the most corrupt, certainly the most corrupt president in American history, right there on the tarmac.

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2282.965 - 2285.168 Jon Favreau

What do you guys think of the red, white, and blue? I kind of like it.

2285.188 - 2298.347 Jon Lovett

I like it. Yeah, it looks pretty cool. I mean, the old version, I like the old version, too, like the robin's egg blue on the bottom, and that was also a little piece of history. I mean, that was redesigned by JFK in 1962.

2298.608 - 2317.562 Jon Lovett

He also spent a bunch of time, personally, with a designer named Raymond Lowy, redesigning the look of Air Force One, and Trump just sort of trashed that as he's trashing the Kennedy Center and renaming that, and all these other monuments and institutions. So it's a piece of a puzzle. But yeah, I mean, aesthetically, it's a sick plane.

2317.582 - 2334.196 Jon Lovett

As far as Donald Trump being in charge of any kind of design, I feel like he didn't fuck it up too badly. It looks good. It's not like the Oval. No, I thought it could have. We'll see what the inside looks like. Yeah, we haven't seen the inside yet. I saw a few pictures. I haven't. Oh, I hadn't seen the I just saw the outside. I think it's just bigger and bigger.

2334.858 - 2342.711 Jon Lovett

But I will say the one thing that is incredibly ugly is they have instead of the kind of classic American flag on the back on the tail.

Chapter 7: How does Trump’s corruption impact his presidency and the Republican Party?

2342.771 - 2363.02 Jon Lovett

They have a waving American flag. That's no good. Cheap paint looks tacky and it doesn't fit with the design. It does fit with his design. Okay, good. At least there's some Trump on there. So instead of having just sort of a classic straight American flag, as you would, that's not waving because it's not a fucking flag. It's a painting of a flag. So you don't need to paint it waving.

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2363.34 - 2381.099 Jon Lovett

They painted the cheesy waving thing on it, which looks like ass. I'm surprised he didn't put his fucking name on it. I am too. Again, in the Maggie and Jonathan's book, they talk like there's the scene where Caroline Leavitt walks into the Oval Office and Trump is personally super gluing some little gaudy gold thing onto the mantelpiece.

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2381.119 - 2381.559 Jon Favreau

Oh my God.

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2381.579 - 2398.596 Jon Lovett

He's so personally engaged and invested in this stuff. Because he's a bored old man. He really is just bored. Who has no interest in governing. It's just like, why couldn't he go into it? He has interest in using the governing to make money for himself and his friends and to settle old scores. And interior design. And that's it. And interior design. That's his hobby. And golf.

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2398.745 - 2413.886 Jon Lovett

Yeah, at least like Howard Hughes had the decency to lock the door and fill the jars with piss. Like this guy's just got, it's like just a different kind of old craziness of like putting your name on everything, putting gold on everything.

2414.086 - 2427.925 Jon Lovett

The question of what does Qatar think they got a good deal here is an interesting one because remember in the first term, Qatar was briefly like blockaded by all the other countries in the Gulf. And then ultimately that deal was mediated by Jared Kushner.

2428.04 - 2445.812 Jon Lovett

And interestingly, that mediation happened right around the time when the Qataris, I think, finally came in and bailed Jared out for like the 666 Park Ave or whatever real estate deal he had done that went terribly south because they did the biggest real estate investment in Manhattan history right before the financial crisis happened.

2445.792 - 2463.97 Jon Lovett

So it's interesting, though, because Qatar is tiny and super isolated and pisses all its friends off through Al Jazeera and its foreign policy choices. And I think they wanted to get in well with Trump. But then, of course, the Iran stuff kind of complicates the the ledger here on whether this worked out well. And look, now they gave a plane to one president now.

2463.95 - 2480.466 Jon Lovett

the expectation is going to be that every American president gets a plane. I know. Here's a plane. Can you do us a favor and stop causing foreign policy disasters that lead to our hotels exploding? That would be great. If you could just, we gave you the fucking plane. We got a, we got a Rosewood on fire here.

Chapter 8: What are the key revelations from the book 'Regime Change'?

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2694.344 - 2710.032 Jon Lovett

All right. We didn't get a chance last week to talk about the latest with the Bill Pulte saga. Well, surprise. This corrupt moron has now taken over for Tulsi Gabbard as the acting director of national intelligence, a development that both Democrats and Republicans had tried to avoid.

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2710.533 - 2730.214 Jon Lovett

As Senator Mark Warner explained to Tommy, the original plan was to immediately confirm Trump's permanent pick for the job, federal prosecutor and former SEC chair Jay Clayton. But Trump got wind of that and announced that he was pulling back Clayton's nomination until Clayton's replacement at SDNY is approved by the Senate, all but ensuring that Pulte gets at least some time on the job.

2731.798 - 2754.987 Jon Lovett

Why do you guys think that Trump didn't want his own pick? Jay Clayton confirmed as soon as possible. He did pick him. Well, it's hard to be inside of his mind. I think there's two things going on. One is the machinations around FISA and getting the SDNY confirmed, who is a former federal prosecutor, but also his personal lawyer at, I think, Sullivan and Cromwell, I think is where he is.

2755.147 - 2776.915 Jon Lovett

So he sort of wants to get one of his guys in at SDNY. Fine. I think also... Bill Pulte can do a lot of damage being DNI for a couple weeks. Get some good political prosecutions going if he wants. That's what he did when he was going through the mortgage documents and trying to find ways to go after Comey and Tish James and all the rest.

2776.955 - 2799.354 Jon Lovett

So yeah, let's get your fingers into all the intelligence you want for a couple weeks. That's valuable. Apparently, someone, a source familiar told CNN just before we recorded that Pulte is going to start carrying out firings, that the deep state firings have begun and that part of it is to, I guess, get him in there so he can fire a bunch of fucking deep state people. Yeah.

2799.374 - 2817.771 Jon Lovett

So Mark Warner, when I talked to him, was so concerned about Bill Pulte's access to information or being in the job even for a minute that he was basically ready to unanimously just like confirm Clayton by UC, just like push him forward and get it done. I think that Trump's weird gambit here is like he's mad that Republicans told him no about anything. So he's going to just...

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