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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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He's already pivoted from sketch comedy to dramatic acting and most recently to late middle-aged action star in the films Nobody and its sequel. Now he's starring in Normal, playing a small-town sheriff who finds out his small town isn't so normal after all, which will of course require... Some sexagenarian butt-kicking. I'm Glenn Weldon.
Joining me today to talk about Normal on NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour is Ronald Young Jr. He's the host of the film and television review podcast Leaving the Theater. Hey, Ronald. Hello, Glenn.
Also with us is writer Chris Klimek. Hey, Chris. Hello, Glenn. Hello, Ronald. Briefly, briefly, before we begin, I want to buoy the spirits of anyone who shares my disappointment upon learning that Normal, Minnesota is a fictional town. by telling them that I have, in fact, been to liberal Kansas. And when I was there, I took a photo of a liberal police car. All right. There we go.
In normal The Film, Bob Odenkirk plays—let me check my notes here. Let's see. I've got it right here. Sheriff Ulysses, who's recently accepted a gig as temporary sheriff in a small Minnesota town to get away from a troubled marriage and some mysterious unpleasantness in his past— That doesn't remain mysterious for long because flashbacks. Turns out the town is friendly enough.
The mayor is played by Henry Winkler, the local barkeep by a blink and you'll miss her, Lena Headey. But it's hiding a dark secret, a secret that quickly turns super hyper mega violent. Normal was written by Derek Kolstad, the creator of the John Wick franchise, who also wrote Nobody.
It was directed by Ben Wheatley, the auteur behind Meg to the Trench, but also some really terrific British horror films like Kill List and A Field in England. Normal is in theaters now. Chris, our action guy, what'd you make of this little film?
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Chapter 2: What is Bob Odenkirk's career evolution from comedy to action?
If this movie were any more derivative, ultimately it would be called The Normal and The Furious. So I am disappointed. Guys, I'm disappointed. Hold me. Hold me. Right, Ronald? Are you going to hold him? Are you disappointed too?
Where did you come down?
Oh, man. Okay, so there's three movies that I thought of while watching this. Hot Fuzz, Assault on Precinct 13, and 30 Days of Night. Okay. All three of those movies are way better than this one. To reference those three movies, I feel like, and to come up with this, I think Chris Klimek said it best, it is disappointing.
This was a film that I think was not serious enough and not fun enough to be anything. If it had been more serious, I think it would have been a better movie.
Chapter 3: What is the premise of the film 'Normal' starring Bob Odenkirk?
If it had been more fun, I think it would have been a better movie. But it falls down somewhere in the middle where I would like to right now be arguing with Chris about about how stupid this movie is, but this movie ends up kind of being a nothing burger.
Like I want it to be so stupid and silly that we're arguing over like, oh, Ronald, like, come on, man, you're supposed to just have fun in this film. That's what the debate I want to be having, but instead it kind of just falls tonally flat because of the serious elements. And it's just not fun enough for me to just turn my brain off and watch it. I wasn't really a fan.
Okay. Well, maybe I'm going to surprise you guys here because I don't think this is a bad movie because I think this thing is barely a movie. This is a gesture toward a movie. It's the concept of a movie strung together with masking tape and bailing wire. Everything about this feels like it was hastily patched together in post. There is so much ADR in this movie.
There are Madam Web amounts of ADR. Every time a character is not on screen or turns away from the camera even briefly, they get all this extra dialogue. It's always wildly unnecessary. It's either just restating something that we already know or in the fight scenes. It is these invariably these cheesy 80s action movie wisecrack catchphrases like suck on this. You're a slippery one.
Look what I've hooked. And I was like, that's what they came up with. Things happen. So many things happen in this movie for no other reason than to deliver that kind of like serotonin hit to the adolescent brain to make a 14-year-old go, cool. How else to explain how many final destination deaths we get in this thing? And look, we all possess that adolescent brain, right?
And the adolescent brain doesn't ask much of what it consumes. It asks something very specific and very narrow, which is good because that's all this movie is. is capable of delivering. And in fairness to this film, I'm going to be a little bit more generous than I think you guys are. I'd say about 60% of the time, I was like, well, that's fun.
But then driving home, I was like, there's a reason 60% is not a passing grade.
I was going to say that's not a passing grade, Glenn.
That's right. Because if almost half the time this movie, which wants to be a breezy good time, is just huffing and puffing, it is just out of breath. And in the hands of a decent action filmmaker like Sam Raimi, which has a lot of stuff in common, some of those cheesy ADR catchphrase stuff, that's early Sam Raimi all over the place.
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Chapter 4: What themes are explored through the character of Sheriff Ulysses?
I think you're right. I mean, Chris Klimek, you said Bruce Campbell. I mean, you have Bob Odenkirk. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you have him right there. You have a guy who has comedy chops and serious chops. I mean, there's a point in the movie where we start to get into the dark past of the character. And I remember thinking, oh, that's why you got Odenkirk.
Because for a while, I was like, this could have been anybody. It didn't have to be Bob Odenkirk.
For the death.
Yeah, but he starts to turn and starts to talk a little bit about his past. And then I said, okay, you needed some serious acting like I can believe this person, you know, having a good time. And I can also believe this person has a dark secret in his past that exists. So I feel like if you have him, then use the full breadth of his experience in the film. But they just couldn't quite do that.
Right. So Odenkirk actually contributed to the story here. He has a story credit on this film. Now, I think we should all be well past the point where we're surprised that people who become famous and successful in comedy are... Jim Carrey. Mm-hmm. This movie, this is, you know, again, 91 minutes with credits.
You're thinking that if ever we're going to elide the monologue that's kind of awkwardly shoehorned into the movie where we find out what kind of emotional baggage our hero is dragging around. That's the only reason Lena Headey is in this movie is so that he can unburden himself emotionally.
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Chapter 5: How does the film 'Normal' compare to other works by Derek Kolstad?
to her over drinks, and then later revise the thing that he said so we get it twice. I think that kind of backstory is of great use to an actor, right? It's useful for them to know what they're carrying around. The audience doesn't need it. You know, like, that is why you get... I mean, I said the same thing about Sandra Bullock in Gravity. The movie stops for five.
I mean, another like tight 90 minute movie that stops as you could just like, here's why I'm sad. Like, it's enough. You're a good actor. I get that you're sad. It's actually deflating for me to find out exactly why. Huge strike against what wants to be a svelte 90 minute good time.
You pointed out something that factors into my theory of the case here. I feel like this movie was made for streaming with all the narrative training wheels that streaming content has nowadays, where characters just stand around and state and restate who they are, what their relationships are with other characters, what they're about to do, what they're doing, what they've just done.
And if your audience is on a couch on a Sunday afternoon, you can get away with that. But I'm telling you, every time one of those flashbacks came up, every time somebody told me who they were, what they're about to do, In the theater, I just felt trapped. I felt prodded. I felt talked down to. I felt condescended to. And look, I want people to enjoy films in theaters.
Chapter 6: What are the main criticisms of the film 'Normal'?
I want movies to come back. Agreed. This film does not benefit from a theatrical setting. This movie is made to fold your laundry to. I'm going to say it. It's not deserving of your full attention because it doesn't know what to do with it. Watching this film, it's like, well, what are you looking at? What? What? Here's a decapitation.
So would you tell folks, I mean, obviously we're not recommending this film, but would you tell folks to see this in a local Cineplex? I really wouldn't.
No, I wouldn't recommend it. And I think you're right. That's one of the new ways that I judge sitting in a theater now, which is to say, could I just be sitting at the house watching this? And this is one of those. Especially for it to be Derek Kolstad. Like sometimes I'll rewatch John Wick and wish I was in a theater. I don't want to be on my couch. I want to be at a theater watching this.
With normal, I just, I gotta be on my couch. Please let me, I want to scroll Instagram. I want to go like a bunch of pictures to this film. I mean, yeah, apparently they're not thinking that all the way through, you know?
I can't go that far. I mean, as far as I will go with you, Ronald, is wishing that this movie was called Eight Week Sheriff. It sounds like a Bravo show that you would be on Pop Culture Happy Hour talking about and that I wouldn't go near. We are told that he is...
He is the sheriff for the interim period of eight weeks until the next election, which I really have some questions about continuity of government in normal Minnesota. Because can't Henry Winkler, the mayor, can't he just appoint an interim sheriff or something? Do they have temp sheriffs? That's actually a good example of one of the ways in which this movie kind of...
faints towards something more interesting than what we get. There is an early scene where he is in the armory of the sheriff's department. And one chides the secretary of the receptionist, whoever, for leaving the door to the weapons storage unlocked. But then he's looking at all the military hardware they have in there, all the C4 explosives. And he actually says, why do you have this?
And she says, well, you know, after 9-11, the old sheriff applied for all these grants. Like, that was a real thing, right? There were news stories about that for years, about these, like...
podunk municipalities getting decommissioned military hardware and and why like nothing good can come from this and it's like oh is this going to be a satire about the overarming of law enforcement of course not no i mean like that's the closest thing this film gets to a point of view like yes this film so months to be uh rebel ridge which ironically was you know a streaming film but this is like first draft there's a film i would have watched in a theater glenn absolutely
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of using clichés in storytelling?
Bold take, Ronald. Bold take.
listen, you got to say it these days. I'm not trying to get canceled on a pop culture happy hour. To use it as a trope in a film to say, this person's so evil, they can't even accept queer folks. And I'm like, yo, that's definitely a nuanced stance. But if you use it as just black and white in films, you actually undercut the importance of acceptance and inclusivity.
And in this film, you definitely do that because I'm like, they have bigger fish to fry in this film, but you want us to care about this one issue, which of course we do care about, but it adds to the mess. It just adds to the mess.
What about the sheriff being named Ulysses? He could be sheriff, Rowan. I think that's right. I think that's the irony. I think like even more than the sheriff in Twin Peaks being named Harry S. Truman. comma sheriff. I think Ulysses is a, you know, he's a like Madonna, Bono, you know, just a one-namer figure of mystery.
Well, I think we've exhausted all our takes on what is a pretty exhausting film. It turns out 90 minutes can still be a waste of time. Too long. Too long. So we're not happy with this film, but you know what's coming up next? What is making us happy this week?
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Now it is time for our favorite segment of this week and every week. What is making us happy this week? Ronald, I need happy. What's making you happy this week?
You know what? I got a simple one. I'm not going to reinvent the wheel. There's a lot of drama going on on Bravo's summer house right now. And I have been an OG stan.
The network that brought you Eight Week Sheriff?
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