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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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It is January 27th. Let's check in on yesterday's market vitals. Major indices rose heading into a key earnings week. Treasury yields declined. The dollar tumbled. And finally, silver gained the most since the financial crisis. And gold breached a new milestone. More on that in a minute. Okay, what's happening?
Stocks carried their rally into the new week following President Trump's Greenland taco, but global tensions are still gripping markets. President Trump threatened Canada with a 100% tariff over a potential trade deal with China on Saturday. Meanwhile, the dollar sank to its lowest level since 2022. That slide came amid fears of a government shutdown and talk of U.S.
intervention to stabilize the Japanese yen and, of course, The metals rally rages on. The price of gold just hit $5,000 per ounce for the first time ever. Joining us to break down what is moving markets right now, a lot in there. We're speaking with Robert Armstrong. Rob is the author of the Unhedged newsletter and co-host of the Unhedged podcast. You all know him. He's a regular at this point.
Rob, thanks for joining us. Nice to be back. A lot we want to get into here. I think I would love to start with your reactions to last week's taco. It feels like years ago because so much has happened in the past several days. Not really markets news, but we can just set that aside for now. Let's just focus on the taco.
We want to get your reaction because, as I remind everyone, you invented the term taco. We're now seeing another taco, this time with Greenland. He decided to pull those Europe tariffs after, you know, things went kind of... I don't know if nuclear is the right word, but people were pretty riled up about what was happening with Greenland. What do you make of last week's taco?
What does it tell us going forward?
Well, the first thing I would note is that the markets didn't move very much on this crazy plan of Trump's, this crazy saber rattling on Greenland. So, you know, the S&P was down a couple of percent. The dollar was a percent weaker or maybe a little more. So it didn't seem like he was scared off by markets exactly. Right.
So and that's kind of a theme that the market's reaction function to crazy Trump stuff does seem to be getting blunted over time. But maybe, you know, it's the politics. He just realized at some point that he was holding a losing hand against Europe and And he folded.
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Chapter 2: What factors contributed to gold hitting $5,000 per ounce?
I think that might work pretty well. But again, there's another question here. which is how much does this guy change over time? I think, I wonder if as his term wears on, second term lame duck president, 79 going on 80, whatever, you have to take seriously the possibility that his risk appetite and his just sheer bloody-mindedness is becoming more extreme over time.
You know, and we saw that in the case of Venezuela, you know? I mean, so I don't know, turn it off, but clearly a more skeptical attitude is warranted here.
Yes, there should be some filter between what is a truth social post and what is a policy proposal. The line is very blurry. It's not totally clear. But I think you're right. I think there probably is a line. And if someone could figure out exactly what that line is, maybe it's when Scott Besson says something. I doubt it.
Maybe when a plurality of officials get together and agree that this, yes, this is the plan. Again, I'm not sure about that either. But it does seem very relevant if we're trying to pass out what is TACO and what isn't. I guess TACO versus FAFO, as you've pointed out before. I do want to get your reactions to what's happening with the price of gold right now. Gold has now surpassed $5,000.
It's up more than 50% over the past six months. It is coinciding with murmurs of a sell America trade coming back. Perhaps those are related. Perhaps they aren't. But yeah, I'd like to get your views. I mean, gold has had this unbelievable year. They keep on setting these price targets, or at least I keep on seeing these price targets that seem absurd, and then it just keeps on hitting them.
What do you make of what's happened with gold over the past few weeks and the past few months?
First of all, I should note for the benefit of your listeners that the Association of Financial Pundits and Forecasters ought to erect a monument to how wrong I have been about gold for the last couple of years. I mean, I was a skeptic at $2,500, right, 100% ago. So I don't like it as an asset class. I don't think it's been great over time.
I've articulated again and again my skepticism, and I have been wrong as it is literally possible to be. So with that said, that's your health warning to everyone listening to me. I think that there are three theories. One, what this shows you is about the debasement trade, right? That the dollar is going to weaken over time and there's going to be inflation, et cetera, et cetera. U.S.
assets in particular and paper assets in general, that's bad for them. There's another theory that gold always goes up on political instability. It's not so much the inflation stuff. It's the politics. Third theory is that it's a mean stock now and people are just piling in. All three of these can be true to different degrees. I don't like the debasement theory because –
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Chapter 3: How did Trump's Greenland taco impact market reactions?
So it's not a hedge against your other assets. And so they're switching to gold, right? They're like, oh, you know, there's no diversification benefit to crypto. It's just an amplifier of the returns on the rest of my portfolio. But I can't find anyone who says they see that happening, that they see out of crypto and into gold trades. So...
Yes, I would love for someone to come forward if that is really happening. You will lose all of your pride and reputation having loudly talked about why crypto is exactly the investment for this situation. But still, it would be very good for us, or at least for me as a crypto skeptic. Final thing I'd like to get your reaction to is,
We are, the contenders for the Fed chair has been an ongoing race. Last week, we learn, I learned on Kalshi, actually, on one of these prediction markets, that there is a new contender, this guy Rick Reeder. His chances have soared to nearly 50% after Trump had a call with him. He called him very impressive. They had a meeting at the Oval Office. He is very much in favor of cutting rates.
He is a former BlackRock executive. He's expressed concerns about the labor market, etc. I haven't looked into him very much yet, but any reactions or thoughts on the possibility of not Kevin Hassett, not Kevin Walsh, but Rick Reader as Fedcher?
I've spoken him to a lot. I've interviewed him for the newsletter. He's an extremely clever man with a very deep knowledge of markets.
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Chapter 4: What does the surge in gold prices indicate about investor sentiment?
I mean, he's arguably the most important bond trader in the world, given the sheer amount of assets he manages at BlackRock. So he knows the market as well as anyone you can possibly imagine. And I think he's a very smart guy. Does that mean he has the temperament to be the chair of the Fed or that Trump will pick him? I have no idea.
It is important to notice, to note, however, that on several occasions, quite consistently, Reeder has said he doesn't think – rates at, you know, call them 5% now or whatever they are, or when rates were at 5%, now the base rate is a little lower, you know, whatever. He's consistently said, actually, I don't think these high-ish rates are doing very much to control inflation.
And in that context, he's used the example in the past of the housing market. Right. Where if you brought the cost of mortgages down, houses would get cheaper. So that would actually be anti-inflationary. So he says these kinds of things. You can understand why the president would be interested in at least talking to him. He has also said on at least one occasion that.
that maybe the Fed should, or suggest, I emphasize the word suggest here, he suggested that maybe the Fed should help the Treasury control interest costs. Maybe he was misconstrued. That is a left-fieldy idea. I'm not sure if he really meant that or whatever, but it's out there. And so I think he is a guy who might naturally appeal to the president.
I mean, it's clear what the president is afraid of, right? Which is that he'll appoint somebody who will give him a lot of sweet talk in the appointment process and then turn out to be his own person or her own person. Yes. Which is, of course, the whole point of the structure of the Fed chair's job. And my sense of Rick Reeder is that... He's a market vet who's going to have his own views.
And I wonder if Trump might not get that sense from him too and back off. Right. He's a really serious person. Yes. Rick Reeder is not a toady.
Yeah. Which is... It's very interesting because... it's hard to see the right fit for the job as anyone but a toady and a sycophant. I agree. I mean, it appears that the best person would not be a seasoned Wall Street executive. It seems like the best person would just be a guy who doesn't have many thoughts and just is willing to say yes and bring things down.
With a small number of exceptions, Trump has appointed for loyalty rather than competence. Yes. You could argue within the case of Rubio or possibly Besant that's not true. But as a general rule, the main thing about getting appointed to something important in the Trump administration is saying yes.
as loud as you can exactly so I guess I'm hopeful for Rick Reader based on your explanation but I have to say the fact that he's taking the meeting the fact that Trump really likes him for the job it just naturally makes me skeptical and I think that would be reasonable to most people Rob we'll have to have you back very soon thank you very much Rob is the author of the Unhedged newsletter and co-host of the Unhedged podcast thanks for joining us as always thanks guys
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