Chapter 1: What recent changes occurred at the Washington Post?
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Seven years ago, around this time, the Washington Post ran an ad in the Super Bowl, Democracy Dies in Darkness. It showed scenes of fires, explosions, floods, tanks, and journalists who've risked their lives for their profession, all with swelling music and a voiceover by Tom Hanks.
Knowing helps us decide. Knowing keeps us free.
But then, just before the Super Bowl this year, the Post took a different turn. And it was not another Super Bowl ad. Good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining us. On Wednesday, Post staffers joined a Zoom call first thing in the morning. Executive Editor Matt Murray spoke first.
This meeting for our newsroom, I want to share that the actions we're taking include a broad strategic reset with a significant staff reduction.
the paper would be making massive cuts, closing the sports department.
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Chapter 2: How has Jeff Bezos influenced the Washington Post's direction?
Well, there have been a lot of systemic difficulties in the newspaper business as long as I've been reporting on it. There is a large secular decline that has been brought about by the internet that has continued on without too much change. But I think the story of the Post is a very unique to the Post story.
It's fundamentally about one man, Jeff Bezos, and his changing vision of what the role of the owner of a major American newspaper should be.
So you said two different things. It's post-specific and it's also related to this giant in our culture, Jeff Bezos. I mean, I know why the news resonated with me because I'm a journalist. I live in Washington. I worked at The Post. I have many friends there.
But I can imagine people who are not in any of those categories reading this news and thinking layoffs happen all the time, especially newspaper layoffs. This paper still exists, even though with less staff. So why should they care? Why is it significant for people who don't live in Washington, aren't journalists?
Well, for one thing, the Washington Post has always been a paper whose editorial importance was not limited to the city or to the district. It's a national outlet. It's one of the two largest national newspaper outlets. It covers the happenings in Washington, D.C. Certainly, there's lots of stories to cover there.
So to the extent that we have any decrease in the number of people who are paying attention to what's going on, I think that's a loss. It's also a retrenchment from what Jeff Bezos first seemed to pledge when he first purchased the paper in 2013, which was that he would not be looking to the newspaper as a source of money. He has enough money from lots of other sources.
He did seem to take seriously the idea that he was a steward of an institution the way that the Graham family that he purchased it from had always viewed the role of being in charge of this institution that mattered to the city and to the country. And it's certainly true that the Washington Post has lost money and has declined in a number of ways financially.
It's also up to Jeff Bezos whether or not he is going to support a newspaper that is going to be robust journalistically and ambitious digitally. or whether or not he has grown tired of it and decided to step back his investment in the property.
And I think what's troubling in this particular change is you're seeing what had been an institution that had really benefited from his ownership for a good long time that seems to have gone into reverse in a way that particularly aligns with the way that the political winds in Washington have blown for the last few years.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of the layoffs for journalism?
He took a very hands-off approach to management. He was not meddling in editorial decisions. He was, in a lot of ways, for the first decade or so, a pretty ideal hands-off owner for the Post, who put investment into the paper, who allowed its newsroom to grow, allowed a digital subscription strategy to thrive.
But I don't think at any point it has been a central part of where his business instincts have been focused. I wouldn't view his ownership of the Washington Post as primarily a business transaction. I think you could look at the first portion of his ownership as something approaching a philanthropic goal.
And I think you can look at the last couple of years primarily as trying to meet a political goal. One of the side effects of the changes that he made in 2024, 2025, is that it drove away an enormous number of talented journalists, including to the places like The Atlantic.
One reason that the Post has struggled editorially over the past year is that they lost a lot of their best reporters, their highest profile reporters who were the best source in the White House and Congress and in places where... You know, the stories that a newspaper can break that gets you attention, that proves to your subscribers the value of the subscription they're paying for.
The people who produce those stories often weren't working there anymore. And the stories that they would have been writing that would have been proving the value of a digital subscription to the Post, they just weren't getting reported.
So this is what, when people say a death spiral for news outlets, where you have a shrinking business leads to a downsized product, which leads to more shrinking business. Like, is that where the post is now?
The biggest shift in the financial model of newspapers that has occurred in the transition from print to digital is a decreasing reliance on advertising and an increasing reliance on direct payments from subscribers. When newspapers had something closer to a monopoly on the distribution of information every day,
They were able to charge very high advertising rates, and they had mass audiences, and it was a business that worked extremely well for them for a long time. Under the print model, an American newspaper usually made about 80% of its money from advertising and only about 20% from readers buying the paper or subscribing to the newspaper.
In the shift to digital, the advertising money has largely gone away to companies like Google and Facebook. And newspapers are increasingly reliant on subscriber revenue, especially now digital subscriber revenue, since that's where the audiences are.
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Chapter 4: How did the Washington Post's subscriber base react to recent decisions?
If he had saved one of the most important journalistic institutions in America, that would be another thing that would show up in those first few paragraphs, perhaps. There are reasons for someone with that much wealth to invest in something that they think is good for society, good for civilization, good for the country.
And the way he spoke when he purchased the Post was filled with language of, I'm giving you runway. I'm not a shareholder. You have to pay in the same way that a publicly held or hedge fund purchased newspaper company would have to.
And it was the fact that that was his stance for so long, for a decade, that makes this transition, I think, somewhat jarring to people within the Post and people who read the Post.
So it seems like the Post was struggling when Bezos bought it. And the layoffs seem to indicate that it's struggling now. But it did seem to be doing well at one point in his tenure. So what made that possible? And then what changed?
So our insight into the financial condition of the Bezos-Earth Post is really limited because as a privately held company, they don't have to report any numbers to shareholders or regulators. It certainly was true, though, that they benefited starting around 2017 with the Trump bump that helped a lot of news organizations.
Once Trump was elected and this very unusual new federal government came into place, there was a huge increase in interest in national news that sort of raised all boats. And the Post certainly benefited from that because they were, along with the Times, one of the premier operations that was covering what was happening in Washington during this very unusual time.
So they had a huge increase in the number of subscribers that they had. They reached a peak. They reported of around 3 million digital subscribers, which was the third highest in the country behind the Times and also the Wall Street Journal. They were breaking stories left and right.
When Bezos first appeared, he was willing to invest into increasing a lot of positions within the newsroom, adding a lot of people on the product side and on the digital side of the operation. It was a good time to be at the Post. They also happened to have a very good editor at the time, Marty Baron. And they were blessed with the first Trump administration as a story to cover.
There certainly is a universe in which you could have imagined a second Trump administration providing that same sort of bump, or at least a smaller version of it, to the Post. But this is one of the other unfortunate things about the timing, is that at the exact moment that this second Trump administration was beginning was right when Jeff Bezos had shot themselves in the foot by...
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Chapter 5: What challenges does the Washington Post face in the digital age?
And there are models out there. And one of those models that a lot of people for a while had some hope in was philanthropically minded billionaires who would see the value in what journalism was doing and also have the capacity to remove it from the marketplace of capitalism, at least to a degree. And I think Jeff Bezos did that for a while to a certain degree.
So I think that's why it's extra frustrating to see him instead shoving the Washington Post right back into that marketplace and saying, oh, no, now I have to make the same sort of decisions that someone who, you know, a struggling businessman who is worried about paying his mortgage might have to make to make the difficult cuts. Right.
That's what makes it difficult, that this is very much a choice. This is a choice that one man made that is going to harm a lot of journalists and is going to harm a lot of people who would have benefited from the journalism.
Okay, so is there a path forward for the Washington Post?
That's entirely up to Jeff Bezos. He could decide to convert the Washington Post into a nonprofit. He could decide to keep shrinking and keep cutting. He could decide to invest again in anything that he has decided not to invest in. It's a property that he has total and complete control over. I think there is a path forward for good journalism.
The Post benefits from its incredible history and the relationships it has built up over the decades in Washington and beyond. But it's also hamstrung by that history and by the fact that it is built out as a print business that has shifted towards digital as opposed to being a digital-first business, right?
There are paths forward, and it's really up to one man to decide if he chooses to take any of them.
Well, Josh, thank you so much for joining me today.
Absolutely. My pleasure.
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