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Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast

This Scammer Got Exposed By a Youtuber

16 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: Who is Pierogi and what motivates him to expose scammers?

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So this YouTuber actually did something pretty badass. Now the guy's name is Pierogi. And Pierogi's around 34 and he's living in the US. And this guy really hates scammers. Like he wants to bring them all down. In fact, he hates them so much that he has a whole YouTube channel called Scammer Payback.

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And he uses this channel to expose online and like phone scammers and to try and protect innocent victims from being conned out of their life savings and whatnot. It's actually pretty cool. So one day in 2020, Pierogi, I guess he gets an email or like a pop-up ad or something telling him that he's owed a refund of $500 from Amazon.

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And of course, he knows this is a total scam and he is not going to let this slide. He's going to try and bust the people who did it. So he invents an alias, and he pretends to be a 79-year-old elderly woman named Vivian Rogers. And he uses a voice modifier to change his voice and everything. So he calls the number that the scammers gave him in their fake email or whatever.

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And he pretends to be this elderly woman.

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I'm doing fine, Dan. Nice to meet you. I'm Vivian. Thank you for helping. So I'm supposed to be getting back $499.

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And so he eventually ends up talking to this guy, Ben. And Ben claims he's the senior manager in charge of getting her the refund, but in reality, he's just another scumbag scammer. So Ben has Pierogi log into the bank account where he wants the refund to go.

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Now, I'm assuming part of the reason the scammers do this is to see how much money the person has in their bank account so that they can see how much money they can scam out of them.

101.654 - 114.568 Pierogi

So do one thing. Grab a pen and a paper handy with you. Oh, handy. And write down the available balance. Yes. And write down the available balance which you have into your checking account.

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Then Ben has Pierogi type in the amount he's owed, which is technically $499, but they round it up to $500.

Chapter 2: What tactics does Pierogi use to catch scammers?

122.088 - 128.357 Pierogi

What is that? This is the refund form, which you need to fill this and complete the refund. Okay, ma'am?

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I can't even type, honey.

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130.179 - 131.561 Pierogi

You just need to put 500.

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That's it. Okay, 500. All right. Now, this is where Ben gets really sleazy. He intentionally types in $5,000. See, on the screen, it says 5,000.

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You just need to put 500. That's it.

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Okay, 500. All right. You spelled transferred wrong.

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I'm not typing anything. It's from the server itself. But he blames this typo on pierogi. Did you put 500 or 5000 in the banking server?

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I put 500.

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And now that he has convinced this poor elderly woman that she's made a typo, he starts to manipulate her by telling her that he knows that she's an honest person and he basically says that he knows she'll return the extra money to them. Okay, so I can trust you with my money which you got into your account, right?

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