Siri Hustvedt

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Siri Hustvedt 0:00
If someone had asked me, what are you going to say, you know, sitting beside your husband's deathbed, it would not have been what I did say, which was, oh my God, we had fun. And when I said it, it seemed indeed to be the most important thing. Isn't that funny?
Mm-hmm.
Monica Lewinsky 0:35
Welcome to Reclaiming Siri. Well, thank you for having me, Monica. Before we get into your new book, Ghost Stories, a memoir of love and grief, right?
Siri Hustvedt 0:45
A memoir of grief and love or love and grief? Okay. The title is just a memoir, Ghost Stories, but indeed you are right. It is a story of love and grief.
Monica Lewinsky 0:56
I was so excited about chatting with you today for reasons I'm going to tell you a little long story. So in 2005, I moved from New York across the pond to London to go to graduate school to get a master's in social psych at LSE, the London School of Economics. Yes, yes. And... It was very overwhelming for me. I was in over my head, moving to a new country within the first few weeks before school, starting a program that I only learned after I started that there's a difference between European social psychology and American social psychology. Indeed there is, yes, yes. And, you know, all the journal articles and the jargon. And so my sort of my only comfort and solace was on the weekends, I would let myself read some fiction.
Monica Lewinsky 1:48
And that was where I came across what I loved. And that was the first book of yours that I had read. And I just, I fell madly in love with it. I have read it several times.
Siri Hustvedt 2:02
Oh, my goodness. I feel that's a wonderful thing to hear.
Monica Lewinsky 2:06
So, yeah, no, I mean, it was just one of those, one of those books that really stayed with me. You know, just, I mean, first of all, let me also say, I think we'd make an incredible movie or play. I think could be interesting.
Siri Hustvedt 2:21
Is there? Well, at the moment, yes, there is. Something may be happening. We'll see. Okay.
Monica Lewinsky 2:27
Okay. Well, let this moment in the podcast be a firm endorsement for that to happen.

How did Siri Hustvedt describe the inspiration and themes of Ghost Stories?

Siri Hustvedt 2:34
Okay. Yes. We'll cross our fingers.
Monica Lewinsky 2:36
Yeah. No. I guess just as a background, if... Anybody hasn't read it yet, which it's an incredible book, but that it really sort of looks at the friendship between two couples, most notably the husband art historian and the husband artist, right? Yes, yes. But I was really drawn to Violet, who just – I think this was – maybe it was the most pronounced – Yes, yes. Right. There you go. Well, I'm even more flattered now. Thank you. And like through the male gaze, correct me if I'm getting this wrong. So I haven't, I've read the book several times, but not in a while. So, but really looking at the true life of Charcot and how Charcot used the male medical gaze to look at Female trauma.
Siri Hustvedt 4:03
It's true. It's complicated because there are still, in fact, many neurologists see people with what would be called hysterical disorders, but they're now called functional neurological disorders, which means that certain symptoms, blindness, muteness, seizures... All of these can fall under a functional neurological disorder category, and they happen all the time. But you're absolutely right that the way hysteria has been codified in medicine over time has often been hostile behavior. and hostile to women, right? And the fact is that these kinds of hysterical disorders often show up in combat veterans who were traditionally men, right? Before women were were in combat troops. But then it was often not called hysteria, right?
Siri Hustvedt 5:15
Even though shell shock was first introduced by a man named Myers who had studied hysteria, and shell shock was indeed that. It was a form of what was understood as a non-organic problem. Very interesting.
Monica Lewinsky 5:37
I just – I, you know, love that book so much. And your, you know, body of work really sort of traverses more than just fiction and neuroscience and psychoanalysis, right? Right. Yes.
Siri Hustvedt 5:51
So it turns out over the years now – I'm 71 years old. I've been writing for a long time – That, you know, the fiction and nonfiction concerns or even obsessions, of course, they overlap. Definitely. Yeah.
Monica Lewinsky 6:12
Yeah. And you were raised here in the States, but by a Norwegian parent and an American parent, right?

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