Some say that nobody wants war, and yet here we are. They are different because technology has changed, but they still suck. Is there a clear distinction between cyber and kinetic warfare? Does it even matter? What can we learn about it from this war in Ukraine?Despite the distinction between different kinds of war for headlines and panel conversation, war is war. Under that horrible word, you can line up as many strategies, tools, and methodologies as you like, but once something is used as a weapon against others, it all sounds like war. In today’s conversation with Grant Gibson, we discuss what is happening in Ukraine and how what we are observing is unique, either in the techniques used or in how those are used. An underground cyberwar is going on, which is part of a larger war. Tinder reveals troop locations; amateur drones are taking part in the action discovering and helping to destroy vehicles on convoys, civilian hackers take up arms, and Microsoft and other tech companies play support roles. All the while, leaders try to strategize cyber protocols in wartime theaters.This will be a moment that defines cyber warfare — well, warfare.Spoiler alert, you can call war what you want; it is still something that shouldn’t exist — in any form.____________________________GuestGrant GibsonCISO | News Contributor | CIBR Ready CyberSecurity Evangelist Working Group Member at National Initiative for Cybersecurity Education (NICE) [@NISTcyber]On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/grantgibson1/On Twitter | https://twitter.com/gibsongrantm____________________________Resources ____________________________This Episode’s SponsorsBugcrowd 👉 https://itspm.ag/itspbgcwebBlackCloak 👉 https://itspm.ag/itspbcweb____________________________To see and hear more Redefining Society stories on ITSPmagazine, visit:https://www.itspmagazine.com/redefining-societyAre you interested in sponsoring an ITSPmagazine Channel?👉 https://www.itspmagazine.com/podcast-series-sponsorships

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