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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Hello, Cobbers. HG Nelson here with a little bit of an update and housekeeping notes for today's episode. Obviously, after Magic Round, everybody needs to have a sit down and a rest and the bludge is no different. Roy and myself are off fishing, the flathead are running and we're hooking. Take it away, sumpster!
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to bump. It's time to thump. It's time to bludge. The best of bludging on the blind side.
Now, this comes from Dane. While watching the Panthers Broncos game, I was shocked. After stopping the game to check on what happened to Felderice Walsh, the referee then changed his ruling of a turnover to a penalty, despite the collision happening a couple of plays prior.
I was under the impression that the referee could not change his decision after a tackle was completed and the next play had commenced. However, I've been informed that the rule has changed, has been changed to allow a referee to give a penalty after the fact. My question is, how far back can the referees go? Does this rule change apply to penalties that has yet gone unnoticed by the officials?
As a Tiger supporter, I'd love to see the boys tip the ref off to Terry Yam's errant forearm to Ellery Hanley's face in 1988.
Well, who wouldn't?
Who wouldn't? I'd love to see a penalty given for that. I'd love to see Terry sent off.
Can I ask, what's your understanding of this rule?
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Chapter 2: What rule changes are impacting rugby referees?
Yeah, Gobekli Tepe he's working on. Now, this is in what we call the Fertile Crescent, Anatolia, or in my understanding is what we would call the Garden of Eden as spoken about in the Old Testament.
Is there some suggestions that in the Garden of Eden they play rugby league?
Well, this is what I was approached about by the German Research Foundation. Because as we know, the roots of rugby league go back to the Romans with Haspartum. Yes. As the game was called then. But what I didn't realise is that Haspartum was founded on a Greek game called Episkairos. Now, Episkairos was played as far back as about 400 B.C., at this stage, as far as I'm given to understand.
Now, when I went to Gobekli Tepe, I had a look at Karahan Tepe as well, which is about 50 kilometres away, as the crow flies from Gobekli Tepe. Now, these are sites that go back to what we'd call pre-pottery Neolithic. Wow. So we're looking at about 8,000 to 9,000 BC. This is right at the cusp between hunter-gatherer and farming communities where you could live off the land.
It was the land of milk and honey, the Garden of Eden. Now, Tepe means hill, so Karahan Tepe appears to be about 2,500 years older than Gobekli Tepe, but they would have co-existed at the time. It's fascinating to look at these sites, to see the stone walls, the T-pillars that would have held the roof up, that would have been timber structures.
The uprights at either end of an open area with a black dot on the crossbar.
All of that. Not quite. But what I did do, HG, is I got some drones and did a drone examination of the area. And I found that if you found a midpoint between Karahan Tepe and Gebekli Tepe, that there is a space, an area there, that is almost perfectly the dimensions of a rugby league ground. Isn't that incredible?
Now, I found no direct evidence at this stage, because it's very hard, it's such a long time ago. And it'll be a spoken word culture. Indeed, indeed, indeed. But there is no doubt in my mind
that there was some festival, sporting, could be, relationship, competition between Carahan Tepe and Gobekli Tepe at this area where there is areas around where people could sit and watch what was happening on the field. And have a beer? I don't know about a beer. They'd certainly have something. Some alcoholic beverage. Probably, probably. The jury's still out on this.
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Chapter 3: How could Rugby League support rural and regional communities?
A well-respected jockey, Ethan Brown, an up-and-comer, Celine Gaudry. And the big name was Jamie Carr, who I think I'm right in saying is the current premiership jockey in the Victorian area. Era. Area. Area. Get it right. Now, we come to Victorian racing boss, Giles Thompson. Jamie Carr is an extraordinary jockey and a great jockey to watch.
and not to have her there through the carnival will undoubtedly diminish the carnival. This is because she, Melham, et cetera, have been outed for the whole of the spring carnival. Oh, really? Yes. They're on the sideline because of this adventure. Fantastic promotion. Got a lot of coverage in the press. Yes.
The protocols are there for a good reason, and no one is above these protocols, and it's really important that everyone in our sport, no matter who they are, abides by them.
Are these the COVID protocols? COVID protocols. Okay. Okay.
The inquiry is held behind closed doors due to the sensitive nature of the evidence, and here my ears prick up. Yes. They're jockeys. Yes. The sensitive nature of the evidence. What were they up to? Well, I don't know if you've, have you?
I'm not really across nature. I heard there was a bit of a party on. Was that it? There was. That's right. So it was an Airbnb that they rented.
Rented. Yeah. And then they, well, we'll get to the cleaning in a minute, but Carr, Mellon, Brown and Gordry were charged with failing or refusing to comply with an order, direction or requirement of the steward or an official.
We became aware of the situation and opened inquiry into what happened at the Mornington Airbnb, Racing Victoria Chief said, because of the sensitive nature of the evidence already taken, the inquiry will not be open to the press and we'll be issuing a media release at the conclusion of the inquiry. And I look forward to that enormously. What could it be? What could they have done?
The quartet were also fined for their breach of the state's COVID rules. That's obviously Victorian police involved.
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Chapter 4: What are the plans for the new Hello World Stadium?
Usual sort of thing. I think they've been fined $5,452 for breaking the curfew, five kilometre radius, limited on Wednesday night. Police called the property. Racing officials notified the alleged breach. The penalty must be seen as a public address to the seriousness of the offence or to address the seriousness of the offence.
And the stewards have determined that all four jockeys shall have the licence to ride in races suspended for a period of three months. Now.
Okay. Who was brains behind this? Do we know, HG? Whose idea was it that they should, hey, why don't we all just get together down at B&B?
Yeah, no, look, will we get into trouble? No, Vorney didn't when he had his barbecue.
Nah. One minute on Vorney's.
Now, Jamie Carr, I'm deeply embarrassed, quote, I'm deeply embarrassed and disappointed with myself.
Good. Deeply embarrassed. Disappointed with myself.
There is no excuse for what I've done and I've let down my family and friends and the horses. And the horses.
All the horses.
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Chapter 5: What proposal is made for a National Rugby League Day?
Can we say that we used to propose a day, a Rugby League Day, as the first weekend after the big dance? Yes, that's right. Sort of like middle of October sort of time. Yeah, right, yeah. We thought that, you know, leading up to the spring carnival, et cetera.
Sure, sure.
remembering the year that's just passed in rugby league. Yeah, yeah. You know, you have great, you know, people like... Christian Welsh. Christian Welsh.
Chapter 6: What concerns are raised about public holidays and their impact?
Yeah. You know, Abdu. Yeah. They're all doing things. Yeah, Kev.
But I'm not opposed to, you know, starting a national conversation about a National Rugby League Day and it's not a bad place to start the 12th of April, Daily Messenger's birthday. That's not bad. And where do we stand with more days off in the year?
Would we have to sacrifice... Well, that would be a day off. Yeah, no, no, I get that.
Of course it would be a day off, even in states like... States like Victoria and Western Australia and South Australia that know nothing about Daily Messenger. But that would force them to learn. Who's this Daily Messenger guy? He what? He played for who?
Yeah. Now, but what I was going to say was, do we lose a public holiday that already... Oh, I don't think so.
I think you'd have a lot of trouble with that.
Well, how about the King's birthday?
Oh, is that ā oh, we're losing now.
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Chapter 7: What questions arise regarding Black Caviar's passing?
I mean, I'm just ā I'm beginning a conversation. I don't lose that.
Oh, I think you'd have a lot of trouble with that. I do, I do. I think Aussies are very keen to keep their public holidays.
Yes, no, I get that. I think they are. But some are now celebrated on the day if it falls in a weekday and some if they fall on a weekend.
Well, if they're on a weekend, you've got to tack on and make it a long weekend.
Yeah, I know, but that's gone now.
Has it? Some places. I hate that. I hate that. Anyway, that's food for thought. It would be interesting to see what, say, the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition... Well, that could be an election issue. That should be... I mean, if there are any reporters listening, they should put that proposition to them next press conference they have.
Where do you stand on a National Rugby League day? And should it be Daily Messenger's birthday? Now, this comes from Ash in Geelong, and this goes back a little bit, HG. Ash wants to know, Ash says, I was suspicious when I heard of Black Caviar's passing. He says that with the average lifespan of a horse at 25 to 30 years of age, Black Caviar passed at just under 18 years old.
And what he's wondering is that was there some sort of silent witness team that was called in to see what happened there? Were there any... You mean Four Corners?
You mean Four Corners should do a probe into what happened to Black Caviar?
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Chapter 8: How do the speakers connect numbers to personal experiences?
It seemed to be weird what was going on. But I don't know whether there are such mysteries associated with Black Caviar or not. Fair enough. Who was the vet who declared Black Caviar dead? Who saw Black Caviar lying still and, you know, trying to wake her up? Can't wake her up. Black Caviar's not waking up. Hello. Call the vet. I mean, who made that call?
Isn't it the skill of Four Corners to ask questions? Yes. Yes. Whose interest is it to bump this horse off? That's right. Question one.
Yes. Well, let's have a look at the... Should we dig Black Caviar up and do a bit of testing?
Yes.
Because forensic testing... Have we ever nailed... Did we nail what actually killed Black Caviar in the end?
What was it, a heart attack? What was it? Yeah, no, I get it. I get it. God, you've opened a can of worms there. And you know what?
Well, Ash from Geelong has.
You know, I hadn't even thought about this.
I mean, it's a sad old day when it's up to Ash from Geelong. To raise a question. To raise an issue that's of national consequence.
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