SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
0 to $20k MRR in 4 Days? How This SaaS Startup Did It.
12 Aug 2021
Chapter 1: What is the background of Sales for Life and Pipeline Signals?
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Hey folks, special guest today, Jamie Shanks. He's the CEO of Sales for Life, a learning and a service company. They're pioneering social selling training program for mid-market and enterprise companies. They've trained over 250,000 sales reps in dozens of industries.
They recently founded Pipeline Signals, a BPAS company that mines signal intelligence from LinkedIn for any accounts in our customer's total addressable market or for sales opportunities versus risks. Jamie, you ready to take us to the top?
Fantastic. Thanks for the invite.
This sounds like you enjoyed training $250,000 salespeople on a one-time pay-for-the-class module. And then you're like, you know what? I sort of like SaaS better. Let's launch Pipeline or Signals.
Yeah. So, I mean, over the years, Sales for Life was a one-time project-based revenue business. And we've tried our darndest over the years. The lifetime, customer lifetime value would be on an average of about two and a half years now. ARPU 80,000. But yeah, it started out project-based revenue and we've done our darndest to make it stretch it out.
But what was happening as a training business was people were asking, can you just do for me? And so this managed service of Pipeline Signals was born to be able to mine that intelligence on their behalf.
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Chapter 2: How did Jamie Shanks transition from training to SaaS?
So the live part of our service offering was 10% of revenue, was speaking engagements, sales kickoffs, and quarterly business reviews. But that was 80 flights a year for five years in a row. Take that time back. My business partner, Amar, and I looked at this holistically and said, well, we have other services businesses we want to create.
The managed service side has greater scalability and the total adjustable market is endless. Let's develop that because our customer sentiment is we can't turn this tap off once we start.
Interesting. Okay. So how many people today are paying for Pipeline Signals and what's your pricing model there?
Yeah. So Pipeline Signals right now has eight customers active. MRR ranges between $2,000 and $4,000. The average is $2,500. That's what they're paying per month on average? Per month, yes. And it's a payment gateway, pay-by-credit card.
And the idea is that the price fluctuates based on two variables, which is the volume of accounts around the world they'd like us to monitor, existing customers, perspective, and white space. And then the other leverage point would be a time horizon of the report. Do you want it daily, weekly, or monthly?
So it's kind of like microtransactional and stacking that MRR per customer over hopefully a lifetime.
Yeah. I mean, eight customers, $2500 a month. You're doing, what, $20,000 a month in revenue there and just launched it this year.
We launched it actually a couple of days ago.
A couple of days ago. Okay. So where did you get those first eight customers from? Were they service folks?
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Chapter 3: What revenue did Sales for Life generate in its early years?
What do you do with it?
Yeah. So we have been, listen, Amar and I do well, but we plow a lot of it back into product development. We plow it back into marketing. So most of it is getting reinvested.
Okay. And what's the team size today? How many people?
20 teammates. Our teammates are all globally dispersed. We do not have teammates sitting in North America as an example, but we have teammates all around the world. And 20 teammates is kind of a shared services model between two businesses.
How many engineers?
Engineers, two.
Two. Okay, got it. Interesting. Very cool. A heck of a story here. Let's wrap up with the famous five. Number one, favorite book?
Favorite book right now is called The Boutique by Greg Alexander. If you're in ProServe, it's like a must.
Number two, is there a founder you're following or studying?
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Chapter 4: How did content marketing contribute to Sales for Life's growth?
Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night, Jamie?
Seven and a half. I've been tracking my sleep for three years and I'm pretty religious about understanding my sleep.
Number four, our last question here, what's your situation? Married, single kiddos?
Two kiddos, eight and seven and married.
Married. And how old are you?
I'm 42.
Last question. Something you wish you knew when you were 20.
Wish I knew when I was 20 is don't be afraid to fail and don't try to please everybody. Like do things for yourself, not for other people.
Guys, there you have it. Sales for Life launched in 2013 with $379,000 in total revenue that year. They've now scaled up to 2.2 million last year on the agency side and then launched an internal SaaS tool. It's called Pipeline Signals. It's already doing $20,000 a month in revenue. Should grow to about, call it $30,000, $40,000 a month in revenue by December.
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