SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1026 "Juri, would you sell to me now for $1.5m?"
16 May 2018
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn. Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple of hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company.
It was $160 million, which is the size of many IPOs. We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everybody. My guest this morning is Yuri Kalundi.
Chapter 2: What is Weekdone and how does it improve team productivity?
He's the CEO and co-founder of Weekdone, a weekly team check-in and quarterly OKR goal-setting service, turning any team into superheroes. He's a serial entrepreneur, having started building web-based products in 1994. He's a product guy with a tech background and vast business leadership experience. He's also co-founder of Garage48 Startup Foundation. Yuri, are you ready to take us to the top?
Hey, nice to be here. You bet. Thanks for joining. Okay, let's get into it. Week done. What do you do and how do you make money?
So basically, we're a team productivity improvement tool. Initially, we started really from weekly reporting. And over the years, actually, I did quarterly goal setting. So OKRs, objectives and key results. That's really popular now, especially in the US, in tech sphere. So basically, yeah, our business model is to charge $7 per user per month. And we've been growing from that.
That's great. So the average investor pays you about $7 per month? Yes. That's great. And when did you launch the company?
We started actually four years ago.
So we'll call it in 2013? Yep. And have you bootstrapped or raised capital?
We are mostly bootstrapped actually. So initially we raised around 200K from some friends, but we have been cashflow positive since 2015. Oh, that's great. So 200 grand is all that's gone in the company. Yeah. We're still tiny, so we're 12 people.
Okay. And where are you based?
We're based in a tiny Estonia and even a tinier town of 100,000 people, but actually like Around 40% of our customers are in the US and all the rest all over the world.
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Chapter 3: What is the business model and pricing strategy of Weekdone?
Got it. Now, where were you at a year ago? How much revenue were you doing in December 2016?
Yeah, we've grown a little bit less than two times, actually.
Okay, so you were doing, call it 35-ish thousand about a year ago?
Yeah, yeah, I would say that's correct.
Okay, so good growth. Now, with this kind of price point, how are you dealing with churn? What is it today, and how are you getting it lower?
It's very different over customer lifecycle. So quite often, because companies, we still sell a kind of process that companies need to implement in their teams. And there are many who try us out for, let's say, quarterly goal setting for one or two quarters, and they just give up not on the tool, but actually the process of goal setting.
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Chapter 4: When was Weekdone launched and how has it grown since?
And we mainly have to work on those who churn in the first three months, six months. We do quite a lot of training for customers, so we are always happy to do video-based screen sharing and training, both for the managers as well as employees, how to manage their week better or their quarter better.
So it's all about training and I would say getting people to, especially the employees, to understand that it's needed for them, not for HR or the managers.
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So what is churn right now? I would say we churn probably around like 50% of customers per year. Five zero?
Yeah. Okay, got it. So it's fairly high. Why are they churning?
Like I say, many try out or even weekly reporting. They try it out just for one month and then give up. And we see that actually in all of productivity sphere. Like all of us kind of try it, let's say task managers, but very quickly give up on them.
So if someone makes it past like the first month, how long do they stay with you after? Like what's that cohort look like?
It depends a little bit what they come for. Do they come more for like weekly reporting or do they come for OKR? So we see that the long-term goal setting, which is quarterly, there the churn is much, much lower actually for those who do it on a kind of smaller level. So the cohorts are very, very different actually for different also team sizes. Small teams give up easily.
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Chapter 5: How does Weekdone compete with other productivity tools?
I'm envious. Okay, so $300 customer acquisition costs. And then, again, you said the average customer is buying, you know, 10 or 12 person seats at seven bucks a pop, so 70 bucks a month. So you're recovering that CAC in what, six, seven months?
Yeah, we try to shoot so that at least we make $750 per customer. And that's what the 10-person team for one year would pay.
Per year or per month? Per year. Per year. Sorry, wait, $150 per year? $750. $750 per year. Got it. Okay, got it. So your payback period is about seven, eight months, which is a healthy payback period.
How do you... We've never been able to make paid ads or so work. So the conversion there has been really bad actually. So yeah, we still experiment, but neither retargeting or Google AdWords or Facebook actually work for us.
Yep. Yep. Not, not always a bad thing. Um, so, okay, good. So with four and again, with, with 50% kind of annual turn, the average customer is going to stay with you for 24 months at a $7, you know, per month ish price point. So each seat to you is worth about 247 bucks in lifetime value, right? Yeah, that's correct. Interesting.
So how do you, I mean, what do you want to do next with this company? Is it something you're trying to sell and get a quick win or you want to raise a bunch of capital and scale it or just keep bootstrapping it and do a nice lifestyle kind of business?
We're kind of big believers into kind of indie businesses. So I kind of, I like really what Bryce Roberts, the VC, is doing with Indie.VC and many other initiatives where you kind of, there is so much, so many of these kind of bootstrap companies you see nowadays. Basecamp is a big kind of role model for us, Atlassian and so on. So there are these kind of companies.
I think it's more about where the product is taking us. And while we started from features, we have become now or are becoming like a full continuous performance management suit. So we are going more into selling to HR departments, CEOs, larger companies and so on. So going kind of upstream there is very important for us.
With our co-founders, like we sit down each quarter and discuss, should we raise financing? And each time we have said that, no, we like this lifestyle.
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Chapter 6: What is the current customer count and revenue for Weekdone?
But again, it was big money for that time, actually.
Well, Yuri, true or false, you made more money on the salary you were able to pay yourself from that company than you did on the exit.
Yeah. Not really, actually, because now I made more actually on the exit side. But today, actually, yeah, I probably kind of I'm quite happy with the salary.
So you sold that first company then for at least, you know, one and a half to two X that what you rate. I mean, you sold it for at least 12, 15 million bucks.
Actually, a little bit lower than that. But of course, their liquidation preferences were very kind of strange, actually, with a large set of investors there and founders on different levels as well.
Very good, Yuri. Let's wrap up here with the famous five. Number one, what is the last business book that you read?
Um... Last business book was the, I'm not sure if it's business, but the new autobiography of Richard Branson. So I'm a big fan of his.
Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying right now? I'm a big fan of Jason Freed of Basecamp. Number three, what is your favorite, besides your own, what's your favorite online tool?
Facebook. Out of niche tools, I am a big fan of Inspectlet, which is a web session recording tool that I use actually to look now and then in blind what customers are doing inside week then. Inspectlet?
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