SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
861 SaaS: Started at 15 Years Old, Can They Beat Intercom, Hotjar?
02 Dec 2017
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn. Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company.
It was $160 million, which is the size of many IPOs. We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everybody. My guest today is James Gill.
He's the CEO and co-founder of a company called GoSquared, a fast-growing software company helping businesses to understand and communicate with their customers online. He's a designer at heart and is focused on making the complex world of business software dramatically simpler. James, are you ready to take us to the top?
Chapter 2: How did James Gill start his company at such a young age?
Yeah, sounds good, Nathan. Looking forward to it.
All right, very good. So tell us what GoSquared does and what's your business model? How do you make money?
Yeah, so GoSquared is a really nice piece of software. We're all about helping businesses essentially win new customers online. So you drop a bit of JavaScript on your site and we give you a bunch of tools like live chat and analytics. So you can see who's on your site and turn them into customers. And we make money really simple. It's a software as a service business.
So we've got a freemium model. You start out free. And as you grow, we hopefully help you grow with us. And yeah, you pay us money every month, depending on how many customers you win with us.
Chapter 3: What is GoSquared's business model and how do they make money?
So yeah.
What's the average customer pay you per month, would you say?
We have probably about...
50 a month at the moment but that's going up and up as we uh figure a lot more out yeah that's great now how are you i'm like my research team kind of put a thing in here like are you more like intercom or more like hot jar or a mixed panel i would say we're sort of somewhere between those tools so um there's definitely similarities with intercom you know in the live chat space um our background though is much more in the analytics world so we're really taking the
Um, everything we've learned from building analytics at scale around helping you understand users and, uh, taking that into the world of communication. So how can we help companies be a lot smarter about how they interact with their customers?
So all the companies I mentioned are, are absolutely killing it. So that's either a great thing for you or really shitty thing for you.
Uh, It's a huge space. It's a huge space. The reason there's so many companies doing well there is because, you know, tell me a business that doesn't want to grow and make more money online. And if you're building tools that help you do that, then I think you're going to do well. There's just so much opportunity out there.
And there's so many businesses as well that are stuck on really old school, horrible tools, not these cool startups, but like
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Chapter 4: How does GoSquared compare to competitors like Intercom and Hotjar?
really old school stuff or nothing at all. So there's just a huge land of opportunity out there that's up for grabs.
Give me some of your background. What year did you launch this company in?
We've actually been going a very long time. I started a company with two of my best friends from school. And when I say school, I mean, like, I don't know what you say over in the US, but in the UK, we say like secondary school. So when we're about 15 years old, and we were just geeky kids at school, like trying to learn how to build a website. What year?
Uh,
That was 2006, believe it or not. So yeah, like pre-iPhone even.
So you're what, 25, 26 now?
Yeah, I'm 26. Yeah, yeah.
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Chapter 5: What challenges and opportunities exist in the SaaS market?
So young at heart still.
Yeah, yeah. So okay, so launch 2006. You were 15 with some of your buddies. You're kind of 26 now. Have you guys bootstrapped or have you raised capital?
We raised a bit of capital a while ago, but we've always had the bootstrap mindset, like the heroes of ours are people like Basecamp and people like that. And we love the idea of building a sustainable, profitable business, which is what we are today. We've been lucky enough to get some angel money back in the day. How much total? And that helped us.
We raised about a million in the end, but we haven't needed to go back into the venture kind of mindset and go out and raise more money for a long time now. We've been very focused on building a company, building a product that genuinely makes money and charging customers for it. And if we're doing what our customers want, they'll pay us.
And that keeps us very focused on building the right stuff for them.
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Chapter 6: How has customer acquisition evolved for GoSquared?
How many customers are you serving today?
We've got about a thousand now, and it's getting more and more every month, which is what we like. That's good.
I can so tell you're the designer. You've got the glasses, the white minimalist walls, and a beautifully designed coffee cup you just took a sip of.
It's not quite Johnny Ives' white room. And the AirPods, right? And the AirPods.
Very funny.
Okay.
So you said you're, you said you're profitable, cashflow positive. What's your team size today?
We're with about 10 people at the moment. Um, and yeah, we're quite excited. Like we, we don't really have anyone on marketing at the moment.
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Chapter 7: What strategies does GoSquared use to retain customers?
So like the next, the next hires are going to be more, um, more in like growth roles. So, so we can, cause we're as a team, we're a very, very product focused, uh, bunch of people. And, um, we love building a great product and that's, that's how we've grown to date. You know, we've tried to build the best product we can.
and build something that customers love and something they love so much that they'll then go and tell their friends about. I think that's where you've got to start. You can't build software and have a shitty product and just try and have a load of salespeople and try and sell it as fast as you can. You've got to have a good product. That's what we really wake up every morning wanting to do.
We're finally at that point now where we feel like we could think how much more we could grow if we put a bit more into the marketing side of things. So, um, yeah, next steps.
So you're just to be clear, James, you're not spending anything on paid marketing right now, right?
No, like we, we dipped our toes in the water with it in the past, but we, we, on the marketing side, we've always, um, one of the things that's helped us grow so much is we, we started a blog very early on, um, you know, back, I think like 2007, um, And that's been a big source of traffic for us.
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Chapter 8: What are James Gill's thoughts on future growth and potential exits?
And we've just tried to write about what we're learning and try to write stuff that we feel is educational. And I think like, I don't know, I think it's like Gary Vaynerchuk and all these people, you know, educate people, help people, help people, help people. And they'll give something back. And that's kind of always been our mindset.
And we much more enjoy writing to like trying to figure out the Google AdWords console. You know, that's we've never figured that out.
Makes good sense. Now, in terms of size, you said your average customer pays about 50 per month and that you've got about a thousand. Is it fair to say you're doing about 50,000 bucks per month right now on revenue?
Yeah. Heading towards that. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's all part of the right area.
Okay, great. And tell me about, you know, you mentioned obviously inbound marketing, but is there anything weird you've done to acquire customers? Something that's not normal?
Anything weird we've done? Uh, Cool. I mean, I guess one of the unique things is we have a lot of data that we see across the web. So we have a bit of a site called Global Metrics, which is really cool. So you can see across the world, like in real time, like how different platforms are performing. So you can see iOS versus Android, Safari versus Chrome.
And that was just something that came from like a random hack day we did ages ago. So that's one way we grow.
But wait, I don't understand. How does that help you land customers?
So there's a part of the site called Global Metrics. And whenever anyone's writing about how's iOS doing against Android or how's has Safari compared to other browsers. People will always reference us in their blog posts. Journalists will link back to us. And it helps us build lots of linkbacks and authority around the site and drives new traffic to us every single day.
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