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917 SaaS: How To Help Non-Profits and Build $12m ARR Company
27 Jan 2018
Chapter 1: What fundraising tools does Classy provide for nonprofits?
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We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Scott Chisholm.
He's the CEO and co-founder of a company called Classy, a social enterprise that creates world-class online fundraising tools for nonprofits, modernizing the giving experience to accelerate global social impact. Since 2011, fundraising on the Classy platform has doubled each year, resulting in thousands of nonprofits collectively raising over half a billion with the B dollar.
Scott, are you ready to take us to the top?
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Chapter 2: How does Classy's business model compare to Shopify's?
I am. Thanks for having me. Yeah. So congrats on the success. How do you make money from this?
Well, the business model is similar to Shopify. So we have a subscription component for licensing of the software, and then we have a small transaction fee component of every ticket sale or donation that flows through the platform.
Like less than one percent or like what's that fee typically? On average, it's about one to one and a half percent. OK, OK, that makes sense. So so take me a step back, because I always like that when I'm talking to someone dealing with nonprofits, I always want to understand the money first. So you figure out a way to kind of make this work. Take me back.
Give me an example of a campaign run through your platform recently that you think did very well.
I'd say recently with all the wildfires going on in Northern California, Salvation Army, their Northern Territory is raising money for that.
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Chapter 3: What recent successful campaigns have utilized the Classy platform?
I'd say through the hurricane season, Baton Rouge Foundation was another organization that did really well collecting money and mobilizing folks around the South and really around the country and world to raise money for the victims there. We're also working with the Puerto Rico Foundation to help restore Puerto Rico after that devastating hurricane in partnership with Salesforce.
So obviously, I just gave three examples of sort of disaster scenarios. There's a lot going on in the world right now. But we work with organizations sort of throughout the entire year on all campaigns and events, mainly their online donor base.
Got it. And what is the Salvation Army? Are these folks that sign up to use you on average? What do they pay per month for the platform?
Yeah.
It depends on the size of the organization. So we have pricing per organization type or revenue size. So a really small organization, say a volunteer-led local charity, can come on and actually use the platform with no subscription fee and only a transaction.
And then larger organizations will pay more upfront in subscription and less on transaction because they're doing more volume through the platform. So similar to Shopify as an example, but it all comes down to cost of fundraising and ROI.
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Chapter 4: How does Classy determine pricing for different nonprofit organizations?
So we have the cost of fundraising and the ROI. We have sort of guideposts for each type of plan that we present based on the amount of online fundraising that the organization does to try to bring that cost of fundraising down so that more of the funding and donations go to the programs.
So if I force you to just give me an average for the subscription base on the ones paying some kind of subscription, I mean, I'm just trying to get a sense. Is it $10 a month, $10,000 a month, a million a month?
Absolutely. Our sweet spot has been $500 a month and 2% since we've launched it. And then from there we've done lower plans and then we've done higher plans as we've moved up market.
Makes good sense. Now give me, now that we understand kind of pricing and what you do, give me some of the backstory here. So what was launch year?
Launch year as a tech company was 2011. Initial launch was actually a charity pub crawl in San Diego for the American Cancer Society because my mom had battled breast cancer through growing up and we wanted to do something good. And sort of our frustration through the process of trying to give to the ACS, I love them now, don't get me wrong,
Um, it, it inspired us to basically do all sorts of fundraising events in San Diego and bring young people into the fold. And eventually we sort of discovered this gap with these nonprofits we were working with, that their technology was really outdated and not modern.
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Chapter 5: What was the inspiration behind launching Classy?
And we decided to, I like to say naively, ambitiously throw our hat in the ring and build a platform that would help them basically modernize and reach new supporters.
Were you able to use this kind of initial seed of an idea to save your mom or did she pass?
No, she's still with us today. She's been in remission for probably 15, 20 years. And what we realized when we were living with my friends in Mission Beach here in San Diego is that everyone in the house had been affected by it. And unfortunately, my best friend Pete's dad had passed away from brain cancer.
But he was the one that actually came up with the Stay Classy name, which was our original name. And that came from the anchorman in the movie, which happened to be playing in our apartment when we were trying to name the original pub crawl. And then we dropped the stay because we didn't like the $50 And so now we're classy. But it all stemmed from Ron Burgundy and Will Ferrell.
That is so funny. Okay, so 2011, pub crawl, Will Ferrell. Fast forward to today, have you bootstrapped this or have you decided to raise capital?
Yeah, so we bootstrapped it for a while.
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Chapter 6: How has Classy raised capital since its inception?
To be honest, the venture community wouldn't touch us in the early days. They were a little bit hesitant about the social good space and the crossover between doing good and actually a business opportunity. So we first bootstrapped it, and then we brought in angel money, and we eventually scaled from there. But we've raised $53 million to date.
The first $5 million was all from angel investors, mainly rich, successful businessmen who were also philanthropists.
one of our early uh angel investors actually cold called us because his foundation after he had retired started using classy uh and he's like what is this thing you know and he called us up he's like you guys looking for angel money and we're like absolutely so you know we were you know it didn't happen easily it was chunks 25 000 chunks at a time and we eventually got to five million that was over three years eventually uh we built an integration with salesforce we got on their radar salesforce ventures invested with in the series b with mithril capital
bullpen capital and then we recently raised 30 million as a series c to kind of take it to the next level that was led by san diego and baltimore firm jmi who was the first investor in service now do you feel like i mean with this space obviously has strong emotional ties to you and your personal life story do you still feel like you got total creative control over how you evolve the platform even with that amount of funding raised yes you know i think it's um it's a really really
as we've grown as sort of shepherd of the culture, number one, and also the product roadmap. I mean, we're in it, we're in the trenches. And I think our board realizes that we have that touch point with the market and with customers and they know their role and they provide unbelievable advice from a business standpoint and otherwise.
But we also try to mix advisors that come from the social sector and nonprofits with our actual board that is based of investors. And we use both and we take advice from both.
And over the past six or seven years, how many customers are now paying you today to use the platform?
We just passed 4,000 organizations on the platform. In terms of subscription paying customers, we're a little under 2,000, so about half of those.
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Chapter 7: What marketing strategies does Classy use to acquire customers?
That's pretty healthy. Very large customer base. It's grown about 100% year over year since we launched in 2011.
That's great. And can I just multiply the 2,000 customers times that sweet spot you said earlier, 500 a month? I mean, you guys have, you're either teasing or you just passed a million in MRR.
Yeah, we're over that.
Yeah, that's great. Sorry, and that's just on the- That's a subscription. Yes, that's just on the subscription.
Yeah. We look at run rate a little differently, but we've been basically doubling every year. Um, and we're like Shopify where about 60% of our revenue is subscription based and about 40% is transaction fees. So it's really healthy. And that's the way we like, kind of like to keep the balance.
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Chapter 8: What is the future growth outlook for Classy and its services?
Yep. Can you, you said you look at runway a little differently. Can you tell me more about that for other people that might have a SAS plus transaction fee business model?
Sure. Yeah. So it's, it's, um, it's taken us a while to refine this, but ARR is pretty straightforward in terms of subscription is it's basically the, the,
all the subscription you have in your book of business for the, for the four to 12 months for transactions is a little bit different and it can get hairy when you're trying to predict what's going to happen over the next 12, 18 months in terms of runway. So we use the trailing 12 months to stay pretty conservative and we, So by size.
So smaller organizations will transact less on the platform and their transaction fee dynamics is a little bit different. So we know approximately what the revenue will be from that sized organization. And we do that by segment essentially, but we use a trailing 12 month average so that we stay conservative and we put that on top of the subscription base.
So that becomes our total revenue run rate.
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So over the next two to five years, which revenue stream do you see scaling faster? In other words, a lot of people in this space to get more competitive as the subscription predictable revenue grows, they'll drive down their transaction fees to get more customers and undercut competitors. Do you see yourself executing that strategy or no?
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