SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
Building Culture, Processes and Accountablity as Remote Team.
29 Oct 2022
Chapter 1: What insights were shared from the Founder 500 event?
Hey folks, hope your Q3 and Q4 is off to a good start. We just wrapped up Founder 500 in Austin, Texas. Hundreds of bootstrap founders showed up. It was an amazing time. I loved meeting so many of you.
This interview today is a recording from that session, which you're gonna love because now we have visuals, we have the founder teaching, and I made every single speaker include their revenue graphs and real artifacts in their presentations. Without further ado, let's jump in.
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Up next, we've got Patrick Shaw from Rapid Funnel with a revenue north of $3 million. Hi, it's been a long time since I've been nervous in front of a room, but my daughter's here, and she's a tough cookie. So I'm just curious, how many people knew first Latka event? I was just curious, yeah. It's been... I didn't know anything about SAS. I came into this space. I'm trying to figure it out.
And how many people came into SAS without any knowledge or understanding of that world, really? So just curious there too. So I go to, I'm trying to figure it all out. I built a platform for a sales team that I had and the company ended up licensing with us and started paying us a bunch of money. They tried to, um, they paid me to educate them and they were going to build it themselves.
They spent a million dollars. It was a disaster and they never left the field. Salespeople never left the platform we were using. So I'm like, well, I can do this. I can build a business around this. So I start going to SASTRA. And you get there and every person's like, well, what round are you on? And I don't know what they're talking about. I'm like, what round of what? Right.
And and you get all this advice and I'm scratching my head and I can't figure it out. And then I got introduced to Latka. And it's amazing to me the difference in the advice, the perspective. Right. Because there's an agenda that comes with I'm not beating all VC up. I don't think they're all bad, but there's a there's a there's an agenda that comes with all that advice and everything you read.
And so this was just. You know, to you guys, thank you. And this community has been unbelievable. I love that quote that I think it was Emerson said, every man is my superior and that I can learn of him. And it's amazing to me that we all have our strengths and weaknesses. We all lean to those things. So I'm going to talk about things that are strengths for us.
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Chapter 2: How did Patrick Shaw transition into the SaaS space?
So I go to this private equity guy who's a friend and I think, well, you invest in companies, you've got to be able to help me. So I go to him and I'm like, well, I'll give you 10% of the company for nothing. Now, it turns out he knew nothing about SaaS, right? He just invested in a lot of different kind of companies and billionaire.
And he's like, well, I'll give you $300,000 for 20%, which is a lot of equity, but I'm like, I'm clueless and I need somebody to guide me through some of this. So I'm like, okay. Now, I will tell you in a little bit how I got a million dollars for zero equity shortly, which was one of the important things for us. But sometimes ignorance is bliss. Anyway, some of this worked out.
But I gave them that. They provided no value. But they're still good friends. So anyway, we just started building. So you know our team is 70 people.
in nine countries which yes is probably a lot of people at at just over three million in revenue now um but i'll share a little bit of that but 70 people and completely remote and i wouldn't have it any other way i've been i've worked from home my entire life don't have any interest in having an office, right or wrong. That's how we're building it.
And so it's required us to do some things differently. When we first started, we were outsourcing developers in India. We were doing a little outsourcing in the Philippines, and that didn't work at all. What did work is hiring directly and building culture. Last year, we had 3% turnover total, and about the same the year before. Now, that's probably, frankly...
I mean, we don't count letting people go and the turnover. And I probably need to do a little bit more of that, frankly. You know, this idea of, anyway, that's my own problem. But we built really good culture. So just so you know what we do, in short, just in case you ever run into this kind of customer, if any enterprise or leader has a field-driven sales organization.
We gamify prospecting and follow-up. So through a mobile app, primarily first, right? We drive the lead measure. So prospecting and follow-up. If it's an outbound kind of sales team or they need people to tell the company story, We gamify that whole process. And that's what I had. I had a huge sales or tens of thousands of people that I needed to sell basically a hybrid insurance product.
And most of them were part time. The last thing I want them doing is going and signing up for SurveyMonkey, Aweber, you know, email campaigns or click funnels for capture pages. So we build all of that under one umbrella. We deliver to the salesperson and they can start focusing on prospecting. if that makes sense, just so you have some context. So these are the three things I'm gonna talk about.
And you guys, if you can keep the questions really short, I'm gonna go fast and I can answer them really fast. So if you got any questions, you can stop me. But the three things that were really big for us as I look back on the history of the businesses, one is building a healthy organization, a really healthy culture mattered.
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Chapter 3: What strategies helped build a strong remote team culture?
Um, of course we have, you know, rapid vision when you don't have offices to pay for and all that, there's a lot you can do around those retreats. And most of like, you know, COVID messed a lot of that up, but otherwise we'd be in the Philippines once or twice a year in India and doing really fun stuff where 60% of it is culture building, you know, um,
invest in hiring better I learned something incredible from Andre and I do these group meetings now and there's a link in there that shows one of the recordings but Andre who's just on the other stage it was it was awesome and then there's a there's a doc in there about you know how we go about this interviewing process and I do do the last interview of every single employee and I can't imagine not doing that at least for a while
Raising Capital, I'll just tell you, I have one minute. So Raising Capital is, I went back to the group and I basically told my friend Tom, I'm like, look, your valuation's about $6 million. And I said it very politely and thoughtfully and all that, but y'all haven't done squat for this group. Y'all haven't done squat, $6 million.
If you invest a million dollars, I'm not going to give you any equity. Then here's how we're going to grow the company. He's like, Patrick, that's not how private equity works. And I was like, yeah, nobody offers you 10% for nothing either. Like nobody does that in private equity either. Right.
And I made a really compelling argument, put a whole slide deck together, and they literally gave us a million dollars. It's sitting in the bank and we're using it to obviously to grow the company, which is cool. And I think it has a lot to do with the culture. So I put the actual addendum in there and all that kind of stuff. which is a pretty unique thing you probably won't hear.
And then the last thing I'll just tell you is, you know, your job as CEO, there were two books that I've read recently that had a real profound impact. And one was The Four Obsessions of an Extraordinary Executive. And it really documented why a healthy organization is so important. And I don't think we, you know, we do focus on spreadsheets and all those things in the business.
But I'm telling you, if the organization's healthy, you don't spend so much time with problems and culture conflict and compensation problems. It just, I can't imagine doing it another way. It makes it fun to build. And I think we're all here to build something that's fun. And then the other book was Who and Not How by Dan Sullivan. And so off...
Try to solve a problem with how instead of just like who, like what is it I'm trying to solve? Why is it important? Educate the who on the why and the what, and then let them go figure out the how. You can be there to consult them, but don't micromanage the thing. Like go put good people in good seats and let them go fail forward. So that's it. Thank you guys.
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