SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
EP 421: SaaS Accounting $238k MRR, $4.2M Raised, 200 Customers with Ceterus CEO Levi Morehouse
18 Sep 2016
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Top Tribe, good morning. Our guest this morning is Levi Morehouse, and he launched his first business when he was at the ripe age of 20. And since then, he's pursued his passion for entrepreneurship ongoing. He earned his CPA shortly after and founded Cedaris in 2008 to empower small business entrepreneurs in select industries with automated accounting and insightful reporting.
The business provides customers a solution, not another tool. Levi, are you ready to take us to the top? I sure am. All right. So first things first, tell us what Cedarist does and how you generate revenue.
Sure. So we provide a solution to small business entrepreneurs, which actually automates their accounting and bookkeeping process. And along with that provides usable, relevant financial dashboards and information for the business to use to actually take action within their business.
They can understand what the numbers are telling them and kind of use that to guide their gut for these small business entrepreneurs.
And how do you generate revenue?
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Chapter 2: How did Levi Morehouse start his business journey?
And when you start recognizing the same problem across multiple businesses, that's where they get their software idea from. And then they build something remarkable because they have product market fit. Is that the pattern you followed? That's exactly the pattern.
Like I say, if I were to raise money and try to edit in 2008 or 2009, it would have been an epic failure. Because what I would have thought the customer needed would not have fit the mark. Now there's zero doubt. Exactly what the customer needs and how to execute on it and all of that.
What was your Series A? How much did you raise?
$4.2 million.
Walk us through how you got there. Why $4.2 million?
We have a... It was to audit, to build the automation, we needed to develop, our developer team needed to grow substantially. And then we also, our sales has kind of been a mix of this sort of quasi outside sales, inside sales combination that's actually been very effective. But we really needed to scale an inside sales team.
Wait, tell us about that. How did that, why was that combination effective? How did it work?
We just being practical and not having money to blow on acquisition cost, we found out what was effective. So we try to get in front of a lot of potential customers in one place and actually taking the flight and going there and paying for the travel made sense if you got enough of that out of it. So it never makes sense for we serve small business exclusively.
It never makes sense to fly around the country for a customer. But for a group of customers, it makes a ton of sense. So we were found that that model actually worked really well. Then following that up with the inside sale actually converted really well. So anyway, that's kind of the model that's worked okay for us.
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Chapter 3: What services does Ceterus provide to small businesses?
But first, so you raised the $4.2 million early this year. 2015, you did $2.2 million, right? So what were you able, in terms of valuation, what were you able to negotiate?
Yeah, I keep that private. But we got a good deal being that we had a lot of traction going up to that.
I'm going to throw out a range and you can confirm or deny. Is it fair to say, you know, you're raising $4.2 million, so your value is somewhere, you know, $25 to $45 million, somewhere in that range?
It's in that ballpark.
Yeah, yeah. Great. Okay. Let's talk about unit economics because this ties back to your inside sales team, things like that. So you have to make decisions about what a customer might be worth to you to make decisions about how much time you invest in potentially closing them. So in 2015, on that 2.2 million revenue, how many total customers were you serving?
So total customers was probably just under 200 at the time.
Okay. About 200. Okay. So you must have a pretty high kind of average ARPU per customer. Is that accurate?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's around 13,000 right now.
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Chapter 4: How does Ceterus generate revenue through its SaaS model?
So your average customer is paying you about a grand per month. They're signing, are they paying annual contracts? Are you getting that cash up front?
Month to month, nothing up front.
Okay, great. Okay, so there is a cash gap, but maybe that's one of the reasons you raised. Absolutely.
That's exactly why we raised. That's a great point. Yeah.
Okay, so ARPU is about 13 grand per month. Tell me about acquisition costs. So what are you willing to spend to acquire that customer?
Yeah, so that's a moving target. And again, being that we kind of came from this hyper bootstrapped mode, it was really unbelievably effective. But to truly scale that and grow at the kind of rates that we're going to be is going to go up a lot. So I don't really have a great sense on that. Historically, what is it? Historically, it's been really, really low, a couple thousand.
To call it maybe 3,000, something like that.
Yeah, that's crazy.
And how many years does the average customer stay with you?
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Chapter 5: What challenges did Levi face when transitioning to a SaaS model?
Right now I happen to be Jeff Bezos with Amazon.
Yeah. Number three, is there a favorite online tool you have like HostGator?
We use all kinds of online tools and I love a lot of them, but honestly, the Google app suite or, you know, Google apps for business has, has been hard to beat. So my email, my calendar, the Google docs functionality all tied together is just something I'm in constantly and really have to figure out how to optimize.
And your situation, right? You said you're 34 married, three kids, right?
Actually five boys now. It was three when I started the company. So I'm kind of crazy.
Unbelievable. So yes or no. Are you getting eight hours of sleep every night?
Absolutely not. I couldn't be running a business and doing that.
So how young is the youngest? Youngest is four now. And oldest? Oldest is 14. That's crazy. All right. So last question, Levi, take us back 14 glorious years. What do you wish your 20 year old self knew?
I wish I had told myself to work smart and hard. I don't want to give up working hard. I worked really, really hard for a long, long time, but I gave up a lot of other pieces of my life in doing that.
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