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Chapter 1: What is the primary focus of 24.7.ai and its services?
So I want to dive into that in a second, but PV, one of my numbers here is wrong, right? So if I take 150 customers times that ARPU you gave me earlier of 250, that puts you at 3 million a month. You're doing more like 30 million a month. So where is my math wrong?
You asked for a typical customer. So we do have customers who spend 30,000 a month or 30,000 a year, right? And the 250,000 we're talking about is per year.
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He's the co-founder and chief executive officer of 247.ai, a global leader in intent-driven customer engagement. He holds more than 30 patents issued and pending and has been featured in several books as CX thought leader. And his new book, The Age of Intent, is now available on Amazon. PV, you ready to take us to the top?
Yes.
What the hell is a guy like you doing wasting his time writing a book? They make no money. There are a lot of work and they just take time.
All of them are true. But I think the world deserves to know how the customer service world can be fixed. And, you know, there's a lot of, you know, wrong information floating around. And I thought, let me just correct it by writing a book.
OK, good. So tell us what the company does.
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Chapter 2: How does 24.7.ai leverage artificial intelligence in customer service?
We were actually profitable when we raised the money. What I think in Silicon Valley especially is, whether you like it or not, the type of venture firm you partner with kind of sets up your brand, right?
So with a thousand companies, startups around, and like you said, now it's even more, you know, frustrating because there are a thousand companies who are all funded, you know, $100 million, $200 million, and $300 million. So when you're competing, it cannot be that you're only competing with, you know, salaries and benefits as the only thing.
It has to be great, interesting work and that you belong to, you know, a venture community where, you know, you're treated special. Yeah. So it's like having the right producer for a movie. Right. So, you know, we viewed that as, you know, edge and talent. And that's why we have this partnership with Sequoia. And it's been a great partnership, by the way.
So I want to dive into that in a second. But PV, one of my numbers here is wrong, right? So if I take 150 customers times that ARPU you gave me earlier of 250, that puts you at 3 million a month. You're doing more like 30 million a month. So where is my math wrong?
You asked for a typical customer. So we do have customers who spend 30,000 a month or 30,000 a year, right? And the 250,000 we're talking about is per year, right?
Yeah, so same question though.
Not everyone spends 250, right? So our average is, to do that, it's about 2 million a year, right? That's about 200,000 a month.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say that's exactly what I was building too, right? So that's how you get to where you're at. Now, back in 2017, you put out a piece on Reuters, right?
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Chapter 3: What is the profile of an ideal customer for 24.7.ai?
Rashika published it, Saddam, that basically said you guys saw revenue crossing 400 million in fiscal year 2018. Why'd you miss that?
We missed it because we had a security breach. So, you know, we have we had to like pause and, you know, our sales pipeline essentially vanished. So it took about a year to recover. Now we are like we in our last quarter was our best quarter in the company's history in terms of new revenue bookings. So and, you know, what was that?
What was new revenue bookings growth like 10, 20, 30 percent in the quarter?
Uh, you know, it's about 20% growth. Yeah.
Well, I mean, at your scale, that's pretty impressive, right? Who are you? Who are you? I mean, I can only think of a couple other private B2B SaaS CEOs with your scale of revenues, right? So Reggie at Cvent comes to mind, and there's maybe only two or three others. Who do you talk to to brainstorm with?
You know, the Sequoia portfolio is a very good portfolio. So we have events and other structured time. And I also spend time with other Sequoia partners, not just Mike Moritz, because they're all helping enterprise companies. So you kind of like lean on them to get advice and inputs as to what goes on. And I have my own network of CEOs here. that I spend time with.
Like you said, you pick the right person for the right type of problem because some folks that I talk to are very good with people issues, some are good with customer issues, some are good with talent issues, like what kind of talent do you hire? Because as you grow the company for every stage, you need the right management team and the right people underneath to help scale the company.
We've seen it with whether it's Facebook or Uber, you see that as it matures, different types of leaders, different types of leadership styles start coming into effect.
What is your team size today? How many folks?
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Chapter 4: What revenue metrics does 24.7.ai currently report?
Obviously, you're not going to cut costs or cut in the bone. What will get you to 20%?
Growth. We're looking for a great year of growth this year. When we talk sometime this month, next year, you'll know the full story.
Oh, good. So you don't hate me. You're going to come back on in a year. We'll have a lot of fun. Exactly. That means I did my job. All right, PV, let's wrap up with the famous five. Number one, what's your favorite business book?
My favorite business book is actually, what's the Tom Peters book that came out in the 90s?
Crossing the Chasm, Jeffrey Moore.
I like that book. I really like that book. I also like the, you know, the innovators. It's a very interesting book. Yeah, those are all good classics.
Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying?
I admire both Jeff Bezos and Mark Benioff.
Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building your company? Sorry, favorite online tool for building your company?
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