SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
SaaS For Power Grids Hits $5m ARR Charging $5 Per Utility Meter
20 Mar 2023
Chapter 1: What valuation strategies are discussed for SaaS companies?
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Guys, Venios has just hit $350,000 per month in revenue, up from $250,000 per month a year ago. They're working with over 100 power grid operators spread across Germany, Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, India, South America, powering over a million substations to help these power grid operators optimize their systems and, most importantly, decentralize the power grid, which is more sustainable.
They're growing quick. They might raise, we'll call it $2 to $4 million here. I'd call it a $40 to $50 million valuation. We'll see what Jonas does. Hey folks, my guest today is Jonas Densazen. He's building a tool called Venios. That's V-E-N-I-O-S dot com. It's Power Grid Real-Time Operating System. Jonas, you ready to take us to the top?
Yeah, hopefully. Yeah, we're working on that.
All right. So how'd you get, who are you selling to? Are you selling to governments or who's using this?
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Chapter 2: How is Venios optimizing power grid operations?
Okay, got it. So the setup just to go live is $150,000 and the recurring fee on the back end is $50,000 per year.
Yeah.
You should have really, really high net dollar retention then because after someone pays a big setup fee, they never should cancel, right?
So we don't have a churn rate. Churn rate is zero.
When did you launch the company? First customer was in what year?
We started 10 years ago.
Okay, so call it 2012, 2013. Cool. And since then, no one has started using you and then stopped using you or started you with a thousand substations and then churned down to a hundred substations.
So with small customers, we start normally with a full rollout. And with big customers, we normally start in one region, like having a region A and then going from A to B to C and then growing into the infrastructure because it's highly profitable. And if you have already started with one region, then it's relatively cheap because we are something ā you can see our solution like ā
enterprise service bus kind of solution because we are connected to GIA information system, to asset information system, to SCADA system, to all the solutions that are existing at the utility and building then up a real-time virtual twin for planning and for control on the infrastructure. And yeah, the value is, so we have customers with return on investment of less than one year.
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Chapter 3: Who are the primary customers using Venios' technology?
Okay. Are you an engineer? Yes.
I studied physics and I've done my doctorate in production science in the automotive industry at Diamond. Who sells?
Me.
In the beginning, I was a salesman, CEO and salesman. And then now we have a small sales team and growing. So we plan to double the team within the next 12 months.
And are you bootstrapped to there? Have you raised capital?
From a U.S. perspective, we are more or less bootstrapped. We have like investment of less than a million into the company.
And when did you raise that capital?
We do have some business angel that founded with our startup. Ended at founding and in the last decade, we do have one founding round and collected some money.
What year was that?
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Chapter 4: What challenges do power grid operators face with decentralized systems?
So I'm at that point, we are planning to more or less double the next- No, Jonas, I'm asking, my question was the last 12 months. Last 12 months was, um, so we did have, um, upgrows of 250% in 2021. And, um, restructured and yeah, restructured the company last year. So there was a growth of roughly 10, 20%. I have to check the numbers in detail.
Okay. So like a year ago you were doing something like $280,000 per month and you grew 20% 50 to 80 something. 250. Okay, that's great. Well, you have very efficient revenue per employee, right? I mean, you're doing between, call it 4 and 5 million in ARR annual revenue today with a team of 30. That's a lot of efficiency. How do you get that much revenue per employee?
by offering a valued solution to our customers and having a highly efficient implementation work. So normally we could do an implementation of a customer up to 10,000 substations is roughly a million counting points within less than 10 days, including all the infrastructure.
uh, data and, um, our competitors, or if you go into the normal situation in this market, it's, um, it's like half of the time, uh, our competitors need to set up a PMO.
Understood. And I got my math wrong.
If you're doing 90% implementation, sorry. Yep.
I got my math slightly wrong. Sorry. If you're doing 5 million run rate today with 30 people, you're doing more like $160,000 per month. I'm sorry, per year in revenue per employee, which is pretty standard for a private capital efficient SaaS company. So those numbers I'll check out. They look good. I mean, how do you go from a million substations to 2 million substations?
What's your expansion strategy, especially if you're the only one doing sales?
No, I'm not the only one. We do have a sales team.
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Chapter 5: What is the pricing structure for Venios' services?
Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? Is there a founder that you're following or studying?
From a technology perspective, I think Elon Musk is pretty interesting.
Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building venues?
Excellent.
Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night?
Last night it was like three, but normally I try to get between five or six and a half.
And what's your situation? Married, single kids?
I do have two kids and I have a wife, but we're not married.
Two kiddos. Okay, great. And how old are you?
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