We just hit $400m in revenues. Here are 9 org chart, people moves I had to make to scale
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What strategies did Jason Cohen use to scale WPEngine?
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We got to 100 million in a little less than seven years, and we hired a CEO, and it was the second best decision I've ever made. All right. My name is Jason. I started WP Engine 14 years ago. We have hundreds of millions in ARR. I'm going to share with you some lessons that I learned along the way in doing that. You probably know me online, though, as the smart bear, so hence that. So we got to 1 million ARR in our first 18 months, which is pretty good. I thought maybe already the company could just grow like that. But then in 2012, our growth rate shot up again. We went from 1 million to 5 million in one year. And as you can see, it never ended. We got to 100 million in something like a little less than seven years.
This little flat part at the beginning, that was that previous chart, right? Just to give you a sense of scale of what happens. And so i want to take 20 minutes and talk about stuff that i Learned from this part where the company is growing faster than People can grow. So the first thing is that You know it's going to be different, but it's dramatically more different, I think, than you would expect if you had never done this before. Because before product market fit, you're exploring. You're trying to figure out, yeah, everyone here knows this. Who's the customer, and how do we get there, and what's our unique thing, and blah, blah, blah. So this is all experimentation and unknown stuff. So there's all these techniques you should use, like trying crap and pivoting fast and nonsense like that.
But after you have product market fit, you know those things. And so the things that you do dramatically change. And so just saying things like, we'll keep experimenting is not how you scale something that's already working. So for example, you're not just building stuff. You're hiring and managing humans quite different from finding a marketing channel or building software. You have something to lose, like there's growth, there's customers. So defending that becomes a whole thing to do that you not only didn't do before, but you shouldn't have. There was nothing to do. You built a kind of a crappy product because, of course, So now it's time to fix it, which, again, you didn't do before, nor should you have, and now it's time.
That's different, again, different mindset. Before, if you had a bug that affected 1% of your customers, that might be zero or one people, so whatever. But now you have a bug that affects 1% of the customers. You get 30 support tickets in a day, and now everyone's behind, and you get 30 negative tweets, and that's really bad. So that means the rare things, which are now common, you have to do something about. And it's hard to detect and deal with rare things just in general. Totally different processes and mindset, right? Also, if you're, let's say, doubling in a year, what does that mean in terms of how many people you need, let's say, in support? And how long does it take you to find and interview and hire and get people up to speed and support, especially since you have no processes and documentation because you're new?
So what does that mean? I don't know.
How did Jason replace himself as CEO effectively?
It'll take like six, nine months. OK, so you need to know how many people you need in six or nine months. That means your business has to be more predictable, another new thing that didn't exist before. So there's this stupid phrase. It's not stupid. It's a tired phrase. What got you here, right? in this case it really is apt the stuff the activity that got you here won't get you there because there's these other types of behavior which are now correct and it's a lot of stuff and i guess the point i really want to make is that this changes who you are and what you are even proud of because you were proud of that you experiment and did it you're and you're like that's why we're different that's why we're better and big companies are stupid and we're smart
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What strategies did Jason Cohen use to scale WPEngine?
0:04–3:37
2
How did Jason replace himself as CEO effectively?
3:37–5:37
3
What lessons did Jason learn about hiring during rapid growth?
5:37–8:05
4
How does product-market fit change the approach to scaling?
8:05–16:15
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What challenges arise when scaling a team?
16:15–23:16
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How does Jason define success in hiring executives?
23:16–27:25
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