[Video available on Spotify] To start off the new season we’re getting into the science of one of the most controversial and taboo sex topics around. Squirting! For some people, it’s a major sex goal — but for others, it’s a source of major embarrassment. And it turns out that people have been writing or talking about squirting and female ejaculation for CENTURIES. So in this episode, we’re going to find out: what IS squirting (like, what is this fluid??), how common is it, and if you want to start doing it … how can you? We’ll hear from Sex Educator and World Record Holder, Lola Jean. As well as Professor Caroline Pukall, Dr. Nan Wise, Professor Helen O’Connell, and Dr. Samuel Salama. UPDATE, April 4, 2025: An earlier version of this episode mistakenly said that usually a person cannot pee with an erect penis. While it can be difficult, it is possible (as anyone who's had a morning glory will know!). The episode has been updated. Find our transcript here: bit.ly/4iIVQcc In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Welcome to Cirque du Squirt (08:26) History of female ejaculation (13:18) Suspect 1: Vaginal lubrication (15:55) Suspect 2: Pee (24:41) Suspect 3: Chemical X? (29:47) Female prostate (36:00) Why does it feel like that? (39:26) What about penises? (42:03) Can you learn to squirt? Credits: This episode was produced by Ekedi Fausther-Keeys, with help from Blythe Terrell, Wendy Zukerman, Meryl Horn, Michelle Dang, and Rose Rimler. We’re edited by Blythe Terrell. Video editing, audio mix and graphics by Bobby Lord. Graphics help from Michelle Dang. Illustrations by Scarlette Baccini. Fact checking by Eva Dasher. Music by Bobby Lord, Peter Leonard, Bumi Hidaka, and So Wylie. Interpreting by Kana Hatakeyama, translation help from Ben Milam. Thanks also to Dr. Devon Hensel, and Dr. Leslie Rickey. Recording and logistics help from Michelle Kitchen, Spencer Howard and Nick Johnson. Recording help from Abi McNeil. Special thanks to Roland Campos. Thanks to Cameron Silzle and Arsonhouse Entertainment. Thanks to Lola Jean and everyone who spoke to us at Cirque du Squirt. Science Vs is a Spotify Studios Original. Listen for free on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us and tap the bell for episode notifications. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is squirting and why is it controversial?
Hi, I'm Wendy Zuckerman and you're listening to Science Versus. Today on the show, we are pitting facts against fluids as we dive into the gushing waters of... Squirting! Squirting! Yes, we're finally doing science versus squirting. And to help us on this journey is comedian Annie Letterman. Hey, Annie.
Hello. I'm so I'm juicy and ready to go.
Oh, this is excellent. So, Annie, we when we asked you, do you want to come on the show to help us talk about the science of squirting? You could not have answered yes fast enough. What is your fascination with squirting? I am fascinated too.
Well, I squirted for the first time a couple of years ago. And I was, I thought, you know, I was 39. I just never thought it would happen for me. I feel like it's kind of a, it's an inspirational tale. And I was just really surprised because I've had people in my past try. And then my fiance, I just didn't even, I wasn't trying. And then the levees broke. Wow.
But then now when I bring it up, people go, it's pee. And then I go, I really don't want it to be pee. I fear it's pee. I don't want it to be pee.
So you've already kind of picked the big question of the episode. Is it pee? Is it not?
Yeah.
But so we're going to start this squirting journey in Brooklyn, New York, of course. And we wanted to start by checking out this very special show. So we sent producer Emily Foreman along.
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Chapter 2: What is the history of female ejaculation?
Woo!
What do I really know about it? I know there's going to be choreography. I know there's going to be games. I know there's going to be a lot of fluids. Maybe I shouldn't have worn open-toe shoes.
Welcome, come, come, come, to Cirque du Soleil!
So the show we are at is called Cirque du Squirt. Love it. And it's happening. I want you to picture sort of this cute little nightclub in Brooklyn. And Emily is about to witness a bunch of quirky performances, including a vibrator race.
Ah, the vibrator races. So what you do is you come and you choose your fighter.
I feel like any vibrator you can imagine was represented. Like, just big, veiny penis. Like, really realistic end to, like, Sex and the City Rabbit to, you know, just something a little more demure.
You pick your contender, you turn it on, and you choose your setting.
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Chapter 3: Is squirting the same as peeing?
All right, so once the vibrator races were done, the real reason that everyone was gathered at Cirque du Squirt tonight was to obviously see the squirting. And tonight we're not just going to see anyone squirt, but we're going to see the legend of liquid, the empress of emissions, the sorceress of squirt, Lola Jean. So Lola Jean...
holds the world record for squirting, which means that using nothing but her own fingers, she has squirted out 1.35 litres of fluid.
Wow.
Which is about the same as two bottles of wine. Amazing. So Lola gets on stage with two other people. They're dressed in early 2000s boy band garb. They're lip syncing to this song, Liquid Dreams. And then it's about to be the main event. I asked Emily, who's there sitting in that crowd, to explain exactly what happened.
And she said, there's this tarp on the ground that performers are standing over it.
And then... Whipped the pants off and then did a quick, quick, like, jerk off. They were inside fingering themselves. They were finger-banging themselves, it sounds like. Finger-banging, yes. They were finger-banging themselves. And at the big moment where it was like,
liquid dreams and then all of a sudden all this liquid pours out and just like splashes on stage wow and so what how how did the liquid come out was it like a fountain or was it like a dribble down no it was like if you just like dumped out a huge bucket of water Or it's like if you're like the sort of cartoon version of your water breaking.
Like all of this liquid just splashing out intensely and a lot like hard.
And it really does make you question, what is that fluid?
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Chapter 4: What is the role of the female prostate in squirting?
That's what I want it to be. I feel like the people that say it's pee are always men too. I don't want them to be right. I feel like they're downplaying our squirt.
Well, the thing is, you know, despite the pee propaganda, when we talked to Emily about what she thought this liquid was that was coming out, here's what she said.
It was clear and crystal and kind of beautiful. The way the light was shining through it. I feel like I have no questions in my mind that that was pure squirt.
And we spoke to Lola Jean, actually, the squirter on stage. And she told us that when it happens, it doesn't feel like when you're peeing.
Mm-hmm.
It feels different when I pee and it feels different when I squirt. Like the process of it, it feels entirely different. But also like I have squirted my life savings out of my body and still had full pees afterwards. So I'm like, there's no way. There's no way I'm going to have... After I set that record, I peed so much.
And then I was like, there's no way if this was pee that I've had this much more in the tank.
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Chapter 5: How does squirting feel different from urination?
I feel the same way because it's not... Pee is, it's yellow. It smells like pee. Like, you know, it's a distinct thing. It just seems like a completely different, it's a different consistency than pee.
And you're not, yeah, you're not the only one to say this. There was a study that interviewed 28 squirters, many of whom had smelt their squirt, even tasted it. And they also swore that it was something different.
Mm-hmm.
So today on the show, we are going to get to the bottom of what is this fluid flying out of us, pee, ejaculate, something else. Plus, we're going to look at what's going on in our body when this happens. And if you are curious to bring some squirting into your life, Lola Jean's going to give us some tips. So exciting. I'm so happy for everyone. Great. And you know what?
For those listening, I know this isn't you, Annie, but some might feel that this is some, you know, kinky little story about this strange sex phenomenon. But actually, the story of squirting goes so deep. It goes into the history of female ejaculation, which we're talking, we're going back hundreds of years, right up to groundbreaking science published just last year.
We are going to finger bang our way through the research until the floodgates open and we understand everything everything there is to know about squirting.
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Chapter 6: Can anyone learn to squirt?
Love it.
You ready to go? Oh, I feel so lucky. When it comes to squirting, there is a lot of... Finger banging. Yes. But then there's science. Science versus squirting is coming up.
Action, kleine Preise, große Freude.
Chapter 7: What does science say about the fluid produced during squirting?
Welcome back. Today, we are all about the science of squirt. We're here with comedian Annie Letterman. Hello. Hi. All right. So to find out more about what's going on with the science of squirting, we called up a friend of the show, Professor Carolyn Pucall, who's a sexual health researcher at Queen's University in Canada. And like us, she is amazed by squirting.
I don't know. It's like, I think it's a superpower. Seriously. It is magical. It's super magical to me and so mysterious that this amount of fluid can come from a body. It's just incredible.
So these days, the idea that someone with a vagina can ejaculate is maybe a little controversial. But actually, centuries ago, things were quite different. So philosophers and scientists of medieval China, India and Europe were like, duh, of course a woman can ejaculate. Carolyn said that it wasn't controversial at all.
It was not. They called it, you know, they called it sperm. They called vaginal secretions sperm. And there are quotes like she emitted abundant sperm.
Did you know this? I didn't, but I also love that she said abundant.
You like the word abundant?
Well, just like, you know, like my pussy's like manifesting or something. It's abundance. Yes.
There's this book on the history of female ejaculation called Juice that came out recently, and it has these amazing quotes from ancient texts. about this idea. And so here's one I wanted to read you. It was our personal favourite on the show. It's from a medieval Chinese sex book and it says, quote, When the woman's red ball grows, it is said to move swiftly and spray.
The man then draws her ejaculate into his penis, a method that resembles a golden cicada clinging to a tree and imbibing dew.
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