Can I microdose veganism?
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But sometimes other people can help. The very first episode of our show, our preview episode, was about how sad the monkeys were in the zoo. It was sort of a lark, but I find myself lately thinking more about animals than I ever meant to. I've always loved my dog, but lately I've been thinking about all the other animals, mainly the delicious ones. I think it's mostly a social thing. My life has quietly filled up with vegans, vegetarians, and meat avoiders. They're not preachy. They're just quietly making a choice next to me, and it's hard not to notice it. I'm a very curious but ultimately pretty lazy person, and the commitment and effort required to not eat what most of society is eating is, I think, beyond me.
But lately I was wondering, is there a way to be a little bit better? Like, with climate change. I find the problem interesting, I'm not gonna stop flying, but I'm happy to fly less. I am microdosing climate concern. I'm curious, would it be possible to microdose veganism? By which I mean, what is the minimum effort I could put in to derive the absolute maximum benefit? I talked to a friend of mine who is macrodosing all this, who thinks deeply about this stuff, and we had a conversation I really enjoyed. I'm going to share that conversation with you. This person is a writer who spends a lot of time reporting on animals and our strange relationships to them. The first thing I just need to do is say hello. Can you introduce yourself?
Yes. My name is Annie Lowry, and I am a staff writer at The Atlantic.
Okay, so I want to step back for a moment and just talk about where you come into all this. I feel like it's not your only beat, but one of your beats as a writer I would describe as human relationship to animals. Yes. So I want to ask you about more of your reporting in general. I also just want to ask, do you eat animals?
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