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I'm Jean Marie Laskis. I'm a journalist. I spent my career helping Americans understand the lives of other Americans, coal miners, gun shop clerks, staffers in the White House mailroom. In my new podcast, Cement City, I tell the story of an entire town, a dying town that you have absolutely no reason to care about. But trust me, you will. Listen to and follow Cement City, an Odyssey original podcast in partnership with Cement City Productions. Available now for free on the Odyssey app and wherever you get your podcasts.
Hello, search engine listeners. Before we begin today, I just want to apologize for the quality of my voice. I've gotten myself a bit sick, but I'm going to play you a conversation from the before times when I still had a functioning voice. Okay, how's this working?
Hi. Oh, it sounds so much better. Oh, good. Okay, let me also move this out of the way so it's not so in your view.
A few weeks ago, I hopped on the line with someone I've known for a long time, someone I really admire. Hi, Anna.
Hi, PJ.
How are you doing?
I'm good.
Anna Sale. She makes a podcast I love called Death, Sex, and Money. It is absolutely the best titled podcast that exists. It does not hurt that the podcast itself is also very good. She interviews all sorts of people with unusual life experiences and asks them the kind of questions you typically reserve for the people you're closest to. That's how I think of the show anyway. How do you explain your show to people? Like when you meet strangers places?
Well, this is where taglines are helpful. We say it's a show about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more. And it's an interview show where I talk to people who are well-known and people who aren't public figures about the stuff that all of us go through and are figuring out in some way.
And then when you say that to people, do they start saying to you the things that they want addressed on a show like that? Like when you say like, oh, we talk about the things that people think about a lot but should talk about more, are people like, oh, that reminds me, I'm afraid to die.
It's not usually quite like that. But my favorite is when it's maybe an older woman who I feel a little bit sheepish about saying the name of the show to. And then they go, oh, interesting. And then I know we're off to the races. It's not that they give me story ideas. It's that we just dig in with each other.
Like the name of the show has unlocked a sort of permission barrier or something.
Well, the way I experience it is, you know, I was raised in West Virginia. I am a polite person. I am eager to please socially. And so it feels like this moment where I kind of like flip around my cards and say, like, I've got a little punk rock edge to me. And so then that can be fun in social situations, especially where it's a little bit more buttoned up or stuffy.
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