Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Breakfast with Gary and Tim Well it's alright Riding around in the breeze Well it's alright Morning, everyone. Welcome. Tuesday, April the 14th. It is great to have you company. McCafe Men, you gather around reflections. Magnificent week it was. All the footy news and discussions out of seven. Zach Butters is going to dominate the conversation. What a tricky one it is.
AFL fixturing, the Tigers, lots on our agenda this morning. Channel 9 reporter Tommy Wren's going to help us wrap up what's been a very successful time over there in Adelaide. Questions without notice. And as always, your calls and text messages. Most important part of the show, 1300 736 736. You can hop on the old Audi Cologne. Or 043-98-1116. Send us a text message. Gay Whispers.
Good morning. Gary, before I go any further, the backdrop okay? I'm in the right spot?
Chapter 2: What key AFL news is highlighted?
No.
Okay. I did ask for somebody to tell me they're back there in the studio, but obviously nobody's been looking.
Oh, Nims has got a horrified look on his face. Just needs to go probably... Left or right?
To my right? To your right.
Behind me or...? To your right. I can see the doona. I can fix that for you. You can see the pillow. You can see the hole. You can see your undies from yesterday. Your dirty washing from Gather Round, which hasn't been done.
Have you got some smalls there in the background? Ah, what a weekend. What a weekend. What a few days, though. How'd you go? Like it went on and on and on and on. You were omnipresent over there. No, you captured the imagination of everybody over there in Adelaide. Well done to you. You had some great moments. Some great moments.
In fact, I could probably do your five greatest moments while you were at Gathering.
You don't need to do the five greatest moments, but Adelaide turned it on.
We're at breakfast. Yes, but what a Sydney Swans breakfast it was too on Friday morning. Yeah, that was a big one. Like a huge crowd there, massive crowd there. Big, big event that from the Sydney Swans. Yes. There's a little gotcha moment there where you just asked him a question. You just leaned in Michael Parkinson style and just hit him right between the eyes.
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Chapter 3: What memorable moments occurred during the weekend?
You had to sort of back over a little bit.
One of those moments where I was sitting there and... Because it was a breakfast, so everyone's... Kev Lachlan's doing her opening, done an outstanding job. Great. Everyone from the AFL, like all the COs and all the... Everyone. Yeah, Coxie was there, and I said to Nicky, what do you reckon I go up in my socks? Oh, I didn't get much support there.
So then I took my shoe off, hoping I had my underwork socks on. I had my right socks on with no holes. And I said, yep, no, I'm going with it. And I wound it up, and yeah, I think it landed.
Yeah.
Yeah, it did. It did. It was sort of like it landed late-ish. It didn't go straight away.
Well, because I had to hold my feet up for the back of the... Like, there's 500 in the room. I had to hold it up for the... deep down the back of the room. Anyway, four pairs have turned up. How many?
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You know what you should have done? I thought about this. Well, here we go. I knew there'd be something. No, but you know how R.M. Williams, right? Do you know the story of R.M. Williams? Have you ever read the R.M. Williams book? No. Oh, it's an unbelievable story. Okay. So he's an outback. So he's a horseman, right? That's where he started. You know, he started to sort of fashion things.
A stockman, right? So I thought that it would have been funny if you had have said that you arrived because John Longmire was in the crowd. Yeah. If you had arrived by horse and he thought, oh, he had to put me down at the bottom of the stairs though, I got a little bit heavy for him, that would have been funny too. Glad I didn't go with that.
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Chapter 4: How did the conversation shift to the Masters golf event?
And it tasted like it had a nice dose of Cobram estate olive oil in it as well.
Nice. Nice. Send through your thoughts on Gatherando, 433-911-16. If you can make it better, it's going to stay in Adelaide. My understanding, well, not my understanding, because everyone thinks it's going to stay in Adelaide town. So therefore, we're going to go back there next year. How can we make it better?
And obviously we'll be talking a lot about Nick, 30.48 centimetres and Zach Butters a little bit later in the program too.
What? I had the producer in my ear then. What did you say?
That's a foot metric in foot.
Yeah, Nick Foot. I find this so difficult. The Nick Foot, Zach Butters. We'll get into it. We'll get into it. It's going to be... It's on today, the Tribunal tonight. Gee, it would have been good if we had it all signed, sealed and delivered on Sunday.
Hold fire, hold fire. Pav's in, this might be the Pav in Bondi. Good morning, Pav. Yasu, Gary. Yasu, Tim. Yasu, Pav. Yasu, Pav.
Really good hearing you boys talk about your Greek culinary experiences. Mm-hmm. The difference is gyros, you'll probably notice if you saw where it was being cooked, is like fillets of lamb on the skewer. Yeah. usually on a horizontal or vertical rotisserie, and it's cooked usually over hot coal. But a souvlaki, Tim, is the chunks of lamb on a bamboo skewer, and that's usually grilled lamb.
over hot coal. So a little bit different. Oh, Pav.
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Chapter 5: What issues are raised about the fixture and Butters in this segment?
Just let it go. I don't know what's going on with the fixture either. So there's an issue. We can talk about that as well. Butters and the fixture on the other side of the break. Breakfast with Gary and Tim. The good oil for Cobramer State. Australia's most awarded extra virgin olive oil. Grown, harvested and first cold pressed in Northern Victoria. Ooh, hit a couple of hot topics here.
The whole butters, the Nick Foote situation and the fixturing doubleheader on Friday night. Doubleheaders for the next round 8, 9, 10 and 11. And it would appear that the AFL doesn't think the non-Victorian teams can hold a Friday night audience, which I disagree with enormously.
Well, let's throw it out there. Do you think, like, do most people believe that they would be happy or content to sit there and watch a game between Sydney and the Giants as the Friday night or Thursday night blockbuster as a standalone? Yep, for sure. Like, you believe they would be. I believe they would be. But let's throw it out there and find out. We've got a lot of calls here.
Lots of calls.
Gary, want to talk about this issue? The Butters issue, that is. Rob's in South Australia. Good morning, Rob.
G'day Tim, g'day Gary, how are you boys?
Good Rob, thanks Gentlemen, Tim I'm a little bit disappointed with you mate and you're not going to believe this, I'm an umpire and I also run a pub so if you ran it past my pub test, I would say that pretty much everything that you've said has failed the pub test Okay, so everybody in your pub would agree with the fact that there's something to answer here for Zach Butters, yep?
No, well, first of all, let's assume that Zach Butters said what the umpire said he said. You can't say that to umpires. It's horrible.
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Chapter 6: How do the hosts respond to the Butters incident?
I actually coordinate the umpiring in our country league over here. And we struggle week after week to find umpires to do games. And the reason is they get weekly views from crowds. That's okay. We can put up with that. When our integrity is called into question, how do you think I go finding young lads to umpire footy games on the weekend if they're going to get called cheats.
Well, do you reckon it's going to be harder now than it was before the weekend? Is that what you're saying?
No, it's going to be harder if you keep saying things like you're saying. And I'm hearing others in the media too. Usually ex-players taking the ex-player's point of view without considering how the umpire feels in this situation. I have.
Just on that point, I have considered how the umpire would. Why wouldn't the umpire sit down and discuss it in a rational environment post-game and actually thrash it out so that he can explain to Zach Butters exactly how he feels? Why would he refuse to do that?
Yes, he is.
Yes, he is. He is allowed to. No, hang on, hang on, hang on, Rob. He is allowed to. The AFL wanted him to. The AFL wanted to try and initiate this as a mediation again yesterday, but he refused to do that. Why would he refuse to do that?
Yeah, not directly after the game. He's not allowed to.
But essentially, it's if he has said what he has said, and I'm not, I wasn't there, I don't know, you know, I mean, things get said on football fields and people hear different things. That's okay. But I feel like when you perpetrate what you're saying at the moment, you're...
just making light of umpires and you're discouraging people from um taking up umpire hey rob anyone that anyone that listens to this program knows that i'm not an umpire basher okay i have never been an umpire basher i'm a rational thinker and i believe that most things most things when there's a breakdown in communication can be solved by getting people in the room to talk about
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of the missing audio in the Butters case?
And we appreciate the call, Rob. So we're not getting defensive on all this. It's just the open opinion. But I will say this. Zach Butters vehemently, vehemently denies saying what the umpire has suggested he said. And the club have also said that our Captain Butters is unambiguously adamant on what was said and what wasn't said.
So, you know, we can deal in hypotheticals, but let's just make sure that that's very clear. And I'm sure Nick Foote, you know, from the other side of it, from what I can gather, is also vehemently, unambiguously clear on what he thought he heard. So this is the issue we've got. Bob's in ring. We'll go, Bob.
G'day, gents. How are you?
Good. Thank you. Yeah, that's right. I'm with you, Timmy. Look, some umpires are more sensitive than others. Maybe it's an integrity issue with this guy considering where he's come from.
But the other point is, when I was watching the game, I thought to myself, do you think, answer this question, do you think these two umpires would have been umpiring next week before that incident happened?
It didn't occur to me, Rob, but I'm on record as saying that I don't sort of feel that way when I'm watching games about umpires anyway. But do you think they didn't have a good night?
They had a terrible night, mate.
Okay, fair enough. Appreciate your call. Pete's in Brown. Go, Pete.
Sorry, guys, I'm not as deathly serious about the issue as everyone else. I'm just wondering, given the conspiracy nature of the whole incident, the missing audio, is this going to be labelled Buttersgate in the future?
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Chapter 8: What changes are suggested for umpiring and player interactions?
It probably will be, Pete, because the missing audio is a question that needs to be answered at some stage. Now, I guess I'm not a conspiracy theorist in this case, because the AFL got too much to lose if they were to just...
It would be in their best interest to actually have the auto.
Yes, that is true. Would it not be? Very good point, Tim. That is exactly right.
Then we can unambiguously... Everything could be clarified very quickly if that was the case. Is that Pete? Was that Pete? Paul's on the road. Okay, Paul. Good morning, Paul.
Yeah, g'day, men. Hey, just with the Friday night, the doubleheader, you know, the AFL... You know, it's an unmitigated disaster is Round Zero, where they're trying to give the northern clubs, you know, a whole heap of free air, clear air. Yep. And, I mean, they've completely undone it, haven't they? Yeah. With Sydney GWS up against the Bulldogs and the Cats, so they're saying one thing.
But then they don't trust them with another. I mean, it's just ludicrous.
Yeah, I'm with you, Paul. It does seem counterintuitive. You bang the table and say we need to grow the game in the northern markets and you finally give Sydney and GWS prime time slot on Friday night and you think, oh, that's sort of backing up what you're saying. That's talking the talk and walking the walk. And then you go, but...
It's just going to start 30 minutes after Geelong and the Bulldogs down at GMHBA Stadium. That's not working for any of us, I don't think. Paul, Joel's in Bannockburn. Go, Joel. Good morning, boys. I got a bit of a light one for you at the start. I made my way over to Gatheran, and how good was it when we got to Border 10 and there was no potholes in the road? It was magnificent drive.
Boys, I had such a great time. There's a few things that I think they could do a lot better for Gatheran. I think they need to get all the clubs. Tell me what you think about this. I think they need to get all the clubs there on a Wednesday and maybe do an opening at the Oval or on the festival part over the river.
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